A Modest $500 Billion Proposal

[Lorizael]

I don't know what some random German composer has to do with the truth, but I do know I can handle it.

[Docfeelgood]

I don't know what some random German composer has to do with the truth, but I do know I can handle it.

I don't think I can handle the truth.

[Agent Sox]

You know not everyone who's had an experience with UFOs or whatever is crazy or a fraud. Some people actually have experienced this stuff.

[Docfeelgood]

You know not everyone who's had an experience with UFOs or whatever is crazy or a fraud. Some people actually have experienced this stuff.

I use to think that way. they were frauds.

[Docfeelgood]

You know not everyone who's had an experience with UFOs or whatever is crazy or a fraud. Some people actually have experienced this stuff.

You?

[Agent Sox]

You mean have had a UFO experience? Well you hasn't everybody?

[Docfeelgood]

You mean have had a UFO experience? Well you hasn't everybody?

[Wezil]

I know a guy that got an anal probe by an alien. He farted fire afterward and...

No, wait a minute.

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[Ben Kenobi]

Except the bit about the state/local level. One might prefer that for various reasons, but not really for fiscally conservative ones. It's not like states and municipalities do things for free. If he's claiming that states and municipalities are significantly more efficient than the Feds, I don't know what the basis is for that. My gut reaction is that in at least some cases it would be the opposite...

Well for starters theres the constitution. Plenty of what the Feds engage in is frankly unconstitutional from the start. National defense is an enumerated power, Healthcare, welfare, unemployment are not.

Kicking it down to the states would invoke competition, well managed states would attract people and investment, and poorly managed states would do the opposite. This competition would gradually encourage the states to become more efficient. Plus there's the argument that smaller entities tend to be more responsive to demand.

[KrazyHorse]

BK sighting

[Dinner]

Well for starters theres the constitution. Plenty of what the Feds engage in is frankly unconstitutional from the start. National defense is an enumerated power, Healthcare, welfare, unemployment are not.

Ben, that's a lot like saying Doritos aren't kosher because they're not specifically listed in the Torah. Broad guidelines were listed and that's what allows people to decide today if something is kosher or not. The constitution works in a similar way in which it sets up broad guidelines but deliberately allowed Congress the power to do what ever it deems "necessary and proper" and just like Rabbis have decided Doritos are kosher despite not being officially listed Congress has decided things like welfare and unemployment are necessary and proper. Hell, Jefferson was the first US president to institute Federal welfare programs and he most of the founding fathers were even still alive then so it's hard to say it's unconstitutional when the folks who wrote the constitution clearly said it was.

[Lonestar]

You know not everyone who's had an experience with UFOs or whatever is crazy or a fraud.

You're right, some of them are just really stupid.

[Agent Sox]

I know a guy that got an anal probe by an alien. He farted fire afterward and...

No, wait a minute.

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Hey that stuff if not funny. Do not make jokes about people who have been through that kind of thing.

[Lonestar]

Hey that stuff if not funny. Do not make jokes about people who have been through that kind of thing.

Especially when the aliens are named "Jim-Bob" and "White Power Bill".

[Agent Sox]

You should listen to people talk about their experiences before you make fun of it. You don't have to believe, but you should respect how traumatizing it can be. Like people who have PTSD.