Hey Look!!! It's Obama's Birth Certificate!

[Docfeelgood]

The BC states father as African. is African a race?
there are white Africans, this is why I question race as African.
Should it be black or negro? this is 1961
Remarks? and comments? show me the correct way.

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I believe that it's wrong to assume that every birther is a racists. Questioning whether a candidate is legit based on birth or residence is common practice in Chicago and it has nothing to do with race. IT's really sad that so many people scream racists whenever anyone ever questions Obama.

[-Jrabbit]

No, what's really sad is that so many people hide their racism behind facades like birtherism.

Questioning whether a candidate is legit based on birth or residence is common practice in Chicago

I call bull****. "Where is your legal residence?" is very common in Chicago, true. But trying to equate that with birtherism by mashing the two words next to each other in a sentence is misleading and disingenuous.

Are there birthers who are not racist? Sure. Plenty of today's birthers are just GOPers and conservatives taking a cheap and easy path to making trouble for the opposition. But take an honest look at the roots of the movement.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I call bull**** on the bull****.

It has long been the case where any opposition to Obama is branded as racism starting long before the GOP even entered the fray.

Bill Clinton still to this day harbors a certain amount of resentment towards the Obama administration over his implied racism during the last democratic primaries.

I know not whether the roots of the birther movement find itself in fertile racist ground or not (delving into the fever swamps usually is not a healthy activity). That being said however it is all too common a tactic for the friends of Obama to resort to playing the racism card and time has shown again and again it is unwarranted given who they target.

I see litttle reason given the previous claims of racism to think all of a sudden they hit pay dirt.

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JR
Typical crap. Mashing them both together is fine. Let's add in challenging signatures on nominating petitions. All are just methods to cut out opponents. Gee, Obama used it once to eliminate one of his potential opponents. Did anyone call him racist when he did it? Are some birthers racists? sure, but automatically assuming all of them are is crap. Which is all I said.

[Docfeelgood]

this is the type of stuff on the net that keeps the topic alive






Name: Barry Soetoro
Religion: Islam
Nationality: Indonesian

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I personally think that yesterday will end it for most of the people (that saw it) and those left will be the true tin foil nutters.
A good portion of the people that believed it, did so based on what they were told. Yesterday they were told something different and a lot of them will now believe that.
Trump and a few others that claimed a great victory can only do so if they now believe the issue has been put to bed. I do find it silly that they're claiming that through their effort, the president was FORCED to finally release this. It's a victory when you debunk our craptastalic allegations? Hmmmm
If you're going to crow on a victory about something, I'd be crowing about that it forced the issue at a time different then one the DEMS could have taken greater advantage from.

A lot of repugs are smiling today because they don't have to support this crap anymore and continue to look like idiots. There is plenty of time before the next election for their stupidity to be forgotten.

[-Jrabbit]

JR
Typical crap. Mashing them both together is fine. Let's add in challenging signatures on nominating petitions. All are just methods to cut out opponents. Gee, Obama used it once to eliminate one of his potential opponents. Did anyone call him racist when he did it? Are some birthers racists? sure, but automatically assuming all of them are is crap. Which is all I said.

First, I want to point out that I essentially said the same thing -- that plenty of birthers are not racists.

Second, this is not about nominating petitions or residency challenges among legitimate political opponents. That ship sailed in 2008. But the goofball conspiracy theorists won't let it rest.

My point is that equating residency requirements (which are current and easily addressed) with challenging someone's actual nationality are different animals. Two simple facts regarding the supposed "controversy" simply don't square with any reasonable explanation: (1) fully credible historical evidence of the birth in Hawaii, and (2) knowledge that both the Hillary and McCain/GOP campaigns employ extensive opposition research and would have challenged Obama's legal right to run for prez in a heartbeat if there was even a whiff of legitimacy to the claim. Politics 101.

I agree that the race card is overplayed (on both sides), but denying that codeword racism exists, and that it was a part of the birther movement, is just turning a blind eye to the whackjob wing of the GOP.

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Yes politics 101. If there is anyway to knock off an opponent before the election do it. This all started because his father was not born in the US so people started digging. The people that say those that started digging did so only because he was black IMO are silly. Politics is politics. Everything that happened after the elections was just the normal political crap, but there were some racists that used it as an excuse to say that he wasn't legitimate.

[-Jrabbit]

I have absolutely no problem with the pre-election vetting.

Post-election, this smacks of something unsavory, especially the attempt to shift the burden of proof to the accused. It's somewhat reminiscent of the privacy vs. drug testing battle in the 80s. Remember that?

"Hey Mr. Employer, you have no right to my blood or urine samples."
"So you're saying you're on drugs, eh? Prove you're not!"

[Guynemer]

As I said above, this isn't "I hate ******s!" racism. This is the unspoken, innate, cultural "soft" racism we are all guilty of from time to time. This quite simply would not be an issue if he were white, plain and simple.

There are 1,001 legit reasons to dislike Obama. I have more than a few myself. Birtherism makes it all too easy for all opposition to be denigrated as racist since birtherism is so obviously itself racist.



DFG: just stop it. Stop it.

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

I feel so dirty looking into the origins of birtherism.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0411/53563.html

According to the article it finds its orignal sources via pro-Hillary supporters and Phil Berg, Pa. deputy attorney general who famously was a truther as well.

[-Jrabbit]

Nice post/link, Ogie.

[MrFun]

As I said above, this isn't "I hate ******s!" racism. This is the unspoken, innate, cultural "soft" racism we are all guilty of from time to time. This quite simply would not be an issue if he were white, plain and simple.

There are 1,001 legit reasons to dislike Obama. I have more than a few myself. Birtherism makes it all too easy for all opposition to be denigrated as racist since birtherism is so obviously itself racist.



DFG: just stop it. Stop it.

Exactly - some people on here are not aware that there are other, more subtle forms of racism.

Just because birthers are not screaming "Hang the ******!" from the rooftops, does not mean that we can discount any racist element in the birther movement as something minor.

[MrFun]

I believe that it's wrong to assume that every birther is a racists.

I agree with you. Good thing no one on here has made such a claim.