West Philly abortion doc charged with eight counts of murder

[Hauldren Collider]

That's always been the amusing part to me.

The cries that IT'S MURDER. If it was murder, then you wouldn't need legislation to specifically ban it, would you?

You are being amazingly pedantic. Do you even think about this before posting?

+1 to Barnabas.

[Asher]

Democrats.

Is Asher confusing laws with morality again?

No, but you are.

Trying to legislate your morals, force them on others.

You and people who share your beliefs are responsible for the conditions in the OP.

[Hauldren Collider]

No, but you are.

Trying to legislate your morals.

We have legislation about morals all over the place. The problem is when you try to legislate about morals that are victimless.

There is a clear victim here! The child is the victim, and you don't think that counts. I do.

[Asher]

You are being amazingly pedantic. Do you even think about this before posting?

I've thought a lot about it.

I don't consider a human being a human being until it exists independently. Until then, a fetus a parasitic organism.

[Hauldren Collider]

I've thought a lot about it.

I don't consider a human being a human being until it exists independently. Until then, a fetus a parasitic organism.

I think your arbitrary definition of "life" is simplistic and stupid. Infants need to breastfeed. They are reliant on other's care, they simply exist outside the womb. And yet they are human beings, but a baby six hours from being delivered is not? What the ****?

[Asher]

We have legislation about morals all over the place. The problem is when you try to legislate about morals that are victimless.

There is a clear victim here! The child is the victim, and you don't think that counts. I do.

It's not a child, and there are many victims even if the fetus comes to term.

Obviously you've never visited an orphanage or knew kids who grew up in the foster care system, which is increasingly overwhelmed with cases as it is. Or you're completely oblivious to the tremendous social costs unwanted children have, not to mention economic costs.

[Asher]

I think your arbitrary definition of "life" is simplistic and stupid.

So is yours.

The whole point is that the point of life being determined IS an arbitrary concept, and as such it should not be absolutely legislated.

At what magical point do you believe life begins? And convince me that THAT is not arbitrary.

[Barnabas]

Asher, a lot of people don't care about abortion because many people benefit from abortions, and the fetuses are both invisible, and completely defenseless.

[Hauldren Collider]

It's not a child, and there are many victims even if the fetus comes to term.

Obviously you've never visited an orphanage or knew kids who grew up in the foster care system, which is increasingly overwhelmed with cases as it is. Or you're completely oblivious to the tremendous social costs unwanted children have, not to mention economic costs.

Aha! So you admit, it's all about the economics! It has nothing to do with what you think is a life, and everything to do with what you see as a social burden of unwanted babies. See, this makes me sick. You've decided that these babies shouldn't be allowed to live because their life wouldn't be perfect. It would be inside the walls of an orphanage, or with foster parents, and that'd be horrible! Oh no! Yeah right. Give them a chance. Don't toss them away over convenience.

[Barnabas]

It's not a child, and there are many victims even if the fetus comes to term.

Obviously you've never visited an orphanage or knew kids who grew up in the foster care system, which is increasingly overwhelmed with cases as it is. Or you're completely oblivious to the tremendous social costs unwanted children have, not to mention economic costs.

How many of them eventually commit suicide? As sucky as their life may be, it looks like they are happy with not having been killed.

[Al B. Sure!]

I've thought a lot about it.

I don't consider a human being a human being until it exists independently. Until then, a fetus a parasitic organism.

A 1-month premature baby can survive independently and supposedly Kepler and Newton were 7 month gestation babies in the 17th century and they survived.

[Asher]

There are only two rational stances when it comes to when life starts:

1) Life begins as soon as the egg is fertilized. Any and all types of abortion are therefore murder, including morning after pills.
2) Life begins as soon as the fetus enters the world.

Any other stance is both arbitrary and baseless. I've far more respect for people who are against any and all abortions than people who draw a magical line in the sand.

[Asher]

Aha! So you admit, it's all about the economics!

I cannot believe you are truly this incapable of reading comprehension. I toss in the economics thing as an aside at the end, and you read that as "all about the economics"?

Are you this desperate in your argument?

And economics are very important. A 16 year old high-school dropout cannot economically care for children. That means the children suffer.

[KrazyHorse]

Authoritarian nannystate supporters

http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/194504-US-Gun-Laws

???

[Hauldren Collider]

There are only two rational stances when it comes to when life starts:

1) Life begins as soon as the egg is fertilized. Any and all types of abortion are therefore murder, including morning after pills.
2) Life begins as soon as the fetus enters the world.

Any other stance is both arbitrary and baseless. I've far more respect for people who are against any and all abortions than people who draw a magical line in the sand.

These are both arbitrary. I don't think conception makes sense either because I'm an identical twin* and so it doesn't really make sense when you think about it. Ergo it must be sometime after, but BEFORE birth.

*Yes, there's two of me.