Religion: Real or Fake

[Docfeelgood]

Well most bible quoting Christians that I know haven't read them (Dead sea scrolles) and it hasn't slowed them down.

lol

[Docfeelgood]

Rah, I hope one day you can have faith.

[rah]

I did have faith when I was growing up. Our summer camp was a seminary. I almost joined the priesthood. But just as a lot of people say, when you look around you, how can you not see the glory of god in creation, when I look around I just see a world who's evil shows to me that there can't be a god. I don't give a rat's ass about free will and choice, no god that I would worship could be blind to the suffering of all the children and other innocents and continue to allow it to happen.

But I am patient to those that try to convert me.

I treat them like a telemarketing solicitation. You wait for the first break when they have to breath and quickly say "no thank you" and hang up or walk away. There's no reason to be rude. They're just doing their job. At least when I visited Salt Lake City frequently it was the real good looking women that would try to convert you and you could just stare at them and not bother listening to them. Since I usually relaxed by the hotel pool, (since they have clubs and not bars) they would usually have bathing suits on. It was always hilarious when my associates would be out there for their first time and think the women were actually hitting on them. I'd just chuckle and say "wait for it" and eventually the conversation would turn to the glories of the Mormon faith.

[Docfeelgood]

I did have faith when I was growing up. Our summer camp was a seminary. I almost joined the priesthood. But just as a lot of people say, when you look around you, how can you not see the glory of god in creation, when I look around I just see a world who's evil shows to me that there can't be a god. I don't give a rat's ass about free will and choice, no god that I would worship could be blind to the suffering of all the children and other innocents and continue to allow it to happen.

But I am patient to those that try to convert me.

I treat them like a telemarketing solicitation. You wait for the first break when they have to breath and quickly say "no thank you" and hang up or walk away. There's no reason to be rude. They're just doing their job. At least when I visited Salt Lake City frequently it was the real good looking women that would try to convert you and you could just stare at them and not bother listening to them. Since I usually relaxed by the hotel pool, (since they have clubs and not bars) they would usually have bathing suits on. It was always hilarious when my associates would be out there for their first time and think the women were actually hitting on them. I'd just chuckle and say "wait for it" and eventually the conversation would turn to the glories of the Mormon faith.

What do you get if you did covert?
or pretend.
Prob a prude.

[Kidlicious]

Yeah, what the hell does free will even mean anyway? Seems like people made it up so they could claim their omnipotent god isn't ultimately responsible for bad stuff.

This is what it means to me. Each one of use has a part of us that is flesh (matter). If, in fact, that's all there were to us then there would be no free will. The idea of 'thinking' wouldn't mean much more than the brain working in a natural way. But people are capable of thinking in other ways as well, which is to say that they have free will.

[Kidlicious]

Whenever I use the argument that when I look around and see all the EVILS in the world and say I can't believe (or refuse to believe) in a god that let's this happen especially to all the innocent children, I always hear back the free will stuff.
But doesn't the bible say that in the old days, that God didn't like what man was doing and decided a redo was in order and sent a flood to scour the planet of evil. (which also proves that god does indeed make mistakes) Looking at todays world, it has to be at least as bad. Where is God's flood now? So there is really no God, or he just doesn't care enough anymore. Either way, no reason to worship this one. Don't laugh too hard. It's no worse than what's been thrown out as proof that there is a god.

When we are children and don't understand the world our imagination allows us to speculate about the world. We have an ideal vision of the world. Later in life we are confronted with the suffering and severity of the world. He becomes a man.

Life is a test, and the one who successfully finishes the test is the one who can become a man and then become a child again.

[Ming]

Life is a test, and the one who finishes the test and fails is the one who can become a man and then become a child again and goes bact to believing in fairy tales.

FIXED

[Docfeelgood]

When we are children and don't understand the world our imagination allows us to speculate about the world. We have an ideal vision of the world. Later in life we are confronted with the suffering and severity of the world. He becomes a man.

Life is a test, and the one who successfully finishes the test is the one who can become a man and then become a child again.

I like this..where did you get it?

[Imran Siddiqui]

They put too much into literal translation from a book that was translated from aramaic to hebrew to latin to german to english. so forth.
Translation can be misinterpreted.

Indeed

And, of course, each book, while divinely inspired, was written by a person with their own flaws and biases. And I firmly believes that God reveals Himself to people in each era in their own ways to further their understanding of God and not to overwhelm them, which is why even after the crucifixion, God sent the Holy Spirit into the world, to continue revealing His word.

[giblets]

This is what it means to me. Each one of use has a part of us that is flesh (matter). If, in fact, that's all there were to us then there would be no free will. The idea of 'thinking' wouldn't mean much more than the brain working in a natural way. But people are capable of thinking in other ways as well, which is to say that they have free will.

So free will is having 'unnatural' thoughts?

[Docfeelgood]

Indeed

And, of course, each book, while divinely inspired, was written by a person with their own flaws and biases. And I firmly believes that God reveals Himself to people in each era in their own ways to further their understanding of God and not to overwhelm them, which is why even after the crucifixion, God sent the Holy Spirit into the world, to continue revealing His word.

I wish I could speak as an intellectual.

[MOBIUS]

Points and laughs at how simple all the religious people sound spouting all their silly self affirming mantras...

You guys are sheep and you don't even know it!

[Docfeelgood]

Are you my baaa, baaa, daaady?

[MOBIUS]

Careful! I'm Welsh...

[Docfeelgood]

Careful! I'm Welsh...

lol