Religion: Real or Fake

[Kidlicious]

Do you all discipline children or not? Do you all just try to reason with them as seems to be what people who believe in human reason tend to believe?

[rah]

So now people don't try?

Not enough people and not enough effort, obvious from the problem still existing.

[Kidlicious]

Not enough people and not enough effort, obvious from the problem still existing.

proof?

But seriously, everyone tries as much is humanly possible. Who can say they don't?

[rah]

Do you all discipline children or not? Do you all just try to reason with them as seems to be what people who believe in human reason tend to believe?

Only those without children have never disciplined them.

[Kidlicious]

And eliminating suffering isn't what needs to be done anyway. Sometimes we need to suffer and that's the point. Shouldn't I suffer to quit abusing drugs etc..?

[Ming]

Indeed, do you think there is a man who ever lived who has not done the same? My point is that you can't stop the suffering. Only God can do that.

Then why doesn't he? Oh that's right.. it's his master plan.
While I might not be able to stop suffering, at least I can try to help stop some of it... instead of having a master plan that is causing it in the first place.

Are you a father Ming? Do you discipline your children or do you just try to reason with them?

Yep... I'm a father, and frankly, I don't answer to you on how I raise them. However, I don't let them starve or get raped by priests like your God does. But that's right, I guess priests raping Children is just discipline to you.

I rejoice in my discipline because I can share in my Lords suffering and he is making me in His image.

Great... enjoy your suffering... I'll make sure I don't waste any of my time or resources to help you then.

So you don't think any ideology has any effect on you?

My lifetime experiences and the sage advice of people I respect have had a great effect on me... not myths and fantasy.

Indeed, you are making my argument out to your liking.

And your not?

Never tell me the odds. They mean nothing to me.

Yeah... I can understand why you say that... it's the only way you can continue to believe in your one true God. Well, many people believe in their own true gods, so most of you are wrong, and that's a fact.

[rah]

proof?

But seriously, everyone tries as much is humanly possible. Who can say they don't?

You're obviously on drugs if you believe that everyone tries as much as humanly possible. But then fantasy land seems to be a common theme with you.

[Ming]

And eliminating suffering isn't what needs to be done anyway. Sometimes we need to suffer and that's the point. Shouldn't I suffer to quit abusing drugs etc..?

Tell that to those poor defenseless children getting raped by supposed holy people... what lesson are they supposed to be learning.

[Kidlicious]

Then why doesn't he? Oh that's right.. it's his master plan.
While I might not be able to stop suffering, at least I can try to help stop some of it... instead of having a master plan that is causing it in the first place.

Yep... I'm a father, and frankly, I don't answer to you on how I raise them. However, I don't let them starve or get raped by priests like your God does. But that's right, I guess priests raping Children is just discipline to you.

So let's say that you spake your children. Would it be a good thing for someone to stop you from doing it so that your children might not suffer?

Great... enjoy your suffering... I'll make sure I don't waste any of my time or resources to help you then.

Thank you. Severity is much more of a help than gentleness.

[Kidlicious]

Tell that to those poor defenseless children getting raped by supposed holy people... what lesson are they supposed to be learning.

Forgiveness.

[rah]

And the millions of children that are starving or die from diseases or are sold into slavery? What is their lesson?

[Ming]

So let's say that you spake your children. Would it be a good thing for someone to stop you from doing it so that your children might not suffer?

Wouldn't it be a good thing to stop priests and other trusted religious people from raping children... oh that's right, all the catholic church did was cover it up and allow the priests to continue doing it. And they only fessed up to it when they could no longer hide it.

[Ming]

Forgiveness.

If that is God's Plan... to have priests rape children so that they can learn forgiveness... your God is one sick puppy.
There are far better ways to teach forgivenss than having a trusted holy man rape you.
And as a human being, I would want no part of that kind of God.

[Docfeelgood]

I do believe in free will and I do things to help alleviate some of the suffering. I just don't have the resources to stop all the suffering. If everyone tried, maybe we could.

Sure could put a big dent in it at least.

[Docfeelgood]

Ming,

It's about realizing that you can't do anything about the suffering in the world because, 1) you are partially responsible for it, and 2) you aren't God.

That's not fair to say!
Who are you to place blame or to judge?
If your stating that man is responsible for ALL the suffering that is a folly.