Religion: Real or Fake

[giblets]

Reason is usefull in science, to obtain objective certainties. You can't go around saying that you're right because you're reasonable if people who disagree with you are also reasonable. That doesn't make any sense. So why do you think you are right?

I wouldn't say "X is right because it is reasonable" I would say "X is worth considering because it is reasonable".

So reasoning can eliminate a lot of possibilities, depending on what our evidence is. The more evidence, the more reason can narrow it down.

[Kidlicious]

You are uncertain.

[Kidlicious]

So reasoning can eliminate a lot of possibilities, depending on what our evidence is. The more evidence, the more reason can narrow it down.

wtf??? You haven't narrowed anything down. You are completely uncertain if you say that the people who say that you are wrong are reasonable.

[giblets]

wtf??? You haven't narrowed anything down. You are completely uncertain if you say that the people who say that you are wrong are reasonable.

They are not necessarily reasonable. I gave a specific example of an issue (existence of a deity) where people who disagree with me are often reasonable.

[Kidlicious]

They are not necessarily reasonable. I gave a specific example of an issue (existence of a deity) where people who disagree with me are often reasonable.

If they are unreasonable, then how are they reasonable? All you are saying is that they agree with you so they are reasonable. That's pitiful.

[giblets]

If they are unreasonable, then how are they reasonable? All you are saying is that they agree with you so they are reasonable. That's pitiful.

Huh? I never said unreasonable people are reasonable, or that people who agree with me on something are necessarily being reasonable. Is English not your native language or something?

[Kidlicious]

Huh? I never said unreasonable people are reasonable, or that people who agree with me on something are necessarily being reasonable.

Clearly you are saying it doesn't matter if they are reasonable or unreasonable, that when they agree with you they are being reasonable.

This is besides the point though. You said people who disagree with you are reasonable, but that you are reasonable also. That means that you are uncertain.

[giblets]

Clearly you are saying it doesn't matter if they are reasonable or unreasonable, that when they agree with you they are being reasonable.

Nope, I didn't say that all people who agree with me are reasonable.

This is besides the point though. You said people who disagree with you are reasonable, but that you are reasonable also. That means that you are uncertain.

I think that in some situations, some of the people who disagree with me are reasonable. Meaning I am not absolutely certain on some issues.

[Elok]

You are uncertain.

There's a whole principle dedicated to uncertainty In Science.

[Kidlicious]

I think that in some situations, some of the people who disagree with me are reasonable. Meaning I am not absolutely certain on some issues.

We're talking about this situation. You believe that people who believe in God are reasonable. So again, you have no reason to believe that God doesn't exists. If you still claim to believe that God doesn't exist then you have no compeling reason, that you've stated. It maybe your opinion that he doesn't exists, but there must be some reason for that, such as you believe that people who believe in God are unreasonable.

You're contradicting yourself.

[Kidlicious]

There's a whole principle dedicated to uncertainty In Science.

You believe that uncertainty only exists in science?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty

[giblets]

We're talking about this situation. You believe that people who believe in God are reasonable. So again, you have no reason not to believe that God exists.

No, belief and nonbelief both have reasons, as I see it.

If you still claim to believe that God doesn't exist then you have no compeling reason that you've stated. It maybe your opinion that he doesn't exists, but there must be some reason for that, such as you believe that people who believe in God are unreasonable.

My opinion is that there is insufficient evidence to believe in such a thing. I think it's a very reasonable opinion. However I wouldn't rule out that gods may exist and I respect people who believe in them.

You're contradicting yourself.

No, you keep creating strawmen.

[giblets]

You believe that uncertainty only exists in science?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty

When did Elok say that?

Why is your reading comprehension so bad?

[N35t0r]

You believe that uncertainty only exists in science?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty

Some guy: Horses have heads.

Kid: You believe only horses have heads?

[Kidlicious]

My opinion is that there is insufficient evidence to believe in such a thing. I think it's a very reasonable opinion. However I wouldn't rule out that gods may exist and I respect people who believe in them.

So now reasonable people believe things when there is insufficient evidence, but you aren't contradicting yourself.