No thread about the new WIKILEAKS United States diplomatic cables leak?

[Hauldren Collider]

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You've quite obviously missed the thrust of my post. Please read it again. They'd never get away with stifling a real scandal. And you haven't even proven it was Lieberman's request. I find it much more likely that customers were complaining.

[Elok]

Also one more thing--I don't think Lieberman should be calling for Amazon to cancel Wikileaks. I find that inappropriate. But it's also meaningless. Almost all senators condemned the Supreme Court's decision that the Westboro Baptist Church could picket military funerals, which is obviously the right decision. But what are they going to do? They can't do anything. They're just *****ing and moaning. And I was angry about them *****ing and moaning about something so obviously protected. But they can't do anything about it.

That seems to be an invalid parallel. What business(es) could senators strong-arm to get their way? It's not like they could make life all that hard for cemeteries.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh, and one more thing worth mentioning. Newspapers are reprinting the cables. Other sites are hosting them. The politicians are only going after the people who leaked the information, and not the people who are republishing it. They want to take down wikileaks, not make the information go away.

[Hauldren Collider]

That seems to be an invalid parallel. What business(es) could senators strong-arm to get their way? It's not like they could make life all that hard for cemeteries.

You're right. I suppose that's a suboptimal example. What I'm trying to say is that politicians hate the first amendment and complain about it all the time, but somehow we still have truly astounding levels of freedom.

And actually the correct counterpoint is that Senators can't overrule the Supreme Court. Although actually they could, but the public would never let them get away with it. Even Franklin D. Roosevelt couldn't get away with it! Andrew Jackson could, but that was a long time ago.

[Elok]

It is, at this point, damned near impossible to "make the information go away." That would be like trying to reassemble a used grenade.

[Hauldren Collider]

It is, at this point, damned near impossible to "make the information go away." That would be like trying to reassemble a used grenade.

Right. The Pentagon Papers case was about whether the government could get an injunction on publishing secrets. They couldn't. And note, did anyone really try to stop wikileaks from publishing the cables? Maybe they tried a little bit but they could have tried a whole lot harder.

[notyoueither]

No, they mean "harm" to their other customers -- impacting their level of service.

Amazon is claiming they kicked them off because they were targets of a DDoS attack, which saturated their datacentre bandwidths and impacted the site performance for their other customers.

Wikileaks' DNS provider just said the exact same thing as their reason for booting them.

I may have misread the article (it was this AM shortly after waking up) but I don't think so.

They cited that and something about rights to publish the memos as violations of ToS.

I've tried to find the article again, but no luck so far. It could have been bogus and been edited out.

[Asher]

You've quite obviously missed the thrust of my post. Please read it again. They'd never get away with stifling a real scandal. And you haven't even proven it was Lieberman's request. I find it much more likely that customers were complaining.

I didn't respond to the rest of the post as it had no relevance.

Of course they would get away with stifling a real scandal. It seems most Americans "agree" that the wikileaks leak was dangerous, so most people wouldn't care.

Very few Americans seem to care about freedom of speech unless it involves their right to spout bull****.

[Hauldren Collider]

I didn't respond to the rest of the post as it had no relevance.

Of course they would get away with stifling a real scandal.

Given the historical examples I've explained seem to disagree with you, would you mind supporting this with some actual evidence?

[OneFootInTheGrave]

freedom in US is doing it's thing, without court orders

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/04/paypal-shuts-down-wikileaks-account

PayPal has frozen WikiLeaks' account in the latest action against the whistleblower website, which has been posting leaked US embassy cables online.

The decision by the online payment site – which WikiLeaks had used to raise funds for web hosting and other costs – has been announced with a posting on PayPal's blog.

PayPal, owned by the auction website eBay, said the account had been frozen because it was being used for "illegal" activity

[OneFootInTheGrave]

and an interview with Julian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/dec/03/julian-assange-live-online-answers

The WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, today hailed the person responsible for leaking the diplomatic cables as "an unparalleled hero" and suggested that his organisation had deliberately used servers in certain jurisdictions, such as Amazon's in the US, to test their commitment to freedom of speech.

[Chemical Ollie]

My next door neighbour is Marianne Ny, the feminist chief prosecutor who has issued an international arrest warrant on Assange for vague rape claims by 2 women in Sweden. The timing of releasing the warrant, just before the diplomatic cables release, raises some suspicions.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

well time to ask her what is the deal real deal with the rape claim and publish the world wide exclusive here.

[germanos]

My next door neighbour is Marianne Ny, the feminist chief prosecutor who has issued an international arrest warrant on Assange for vague rape claims by 2 women in Sweden. The timing of releasing the warrant, just before the diplomatic cables release, raises some suspicions.

I understand the warrant wasn't for rape, but for unsafe (=no condom) sex, which is a crime/offence in Sweden? Is that true?

[DinoDoc]

I understand the warrant wasn't for rape, but for unsafe (=no condom) sex, which is a crime/offence in Sweden? Is that true?

In a manner of speaking. He's alleged to have ignored their cries to stop once a condom broke or no longer in use. Really though at any particular moment, if you find yourself having sex with someone who doesn’t want to be having sex with you and says so, you’re raping them.