Thoughts on the future: Population, IQ, and Sterilization

[Cort Haus]

It's not paranoid. There are socialists everywhere, and I firmly believe that their agents are observing this board at this very moment. I deserve respect for coming out and bringing light to the massive plan that is the socialist regressive agenda for America. I don't want to get away from what we are discussing though, which is the socialist plan to sterilize intelligent people in order to average out America.

Not only that, but they have infiltrated and corrupted our precious bodily fluids. Ice-cream, DriXnaK, children's ice-cream!

[Elok]

I've only skimmed this, but what I'm taking away is roughly: socialists want to sterilize the smart people, to make us easier to control under their vast centrally-planned society. We should sterilize the dumb people instead, along with their smart but ideologically-unacceptable friends, using our vast central planning to make a better, non-socialist society. Yes? No?

EDIT: Fixed, sorry for the gross oversimplification

[DriXnaK]

Are you making fun of me Elok? That's such a simplification of a much larger and complicated issue. I don't think you realize the magnitude of the problem here. In order to stop immigration we need to sterilize the liberal/progressive elite. They are the ones who are trying to bring about an apocalyptic end through a deluge of illegal immigrants. If we don't stop the elite and keep them from reproducing, there is no way we can defeat the vast left wing conspiracy to socialize America. I tried to put this in as simple of terms of possible, but apparently people just aren't grasping this yet.

[giblets]

I thought you were upset because the elites were going to get sterilized. Now you want to sterilize them?

[DriXnaK]

Obviously. How else are you going to stop illegal immigration?

[giblets]

Illegal immigration is only a problem because the immigrants are not being sterilized. Duh.

[DriXnaK]

I never said they didn't have to be sterilized too, but who do you think is in charge of letting them in in the first place? As long as the elitist left is perpetuated we will have this problem. The way to crush the elitist left is to grind them between the millstones of sterilization and subsequent extinction.

[Felch]

So Drix thinks that opinions are hereditary? If my father is a socialist, then my genes will make me a socialist?

[Dauphin]

Yeah, that OP is pretty kooky. In an attempt to bring this thread back to rationality, my position on this subject has always been that a means to controlling poverty and hunger in the 3rd World is to decrease the birth rate, achieved through birth control and education.

Discuss.

I believe we should stop providing aid to the starving children. You have two options i) save that child and allow them to grow up to have ten kids of their own - all who then need food aid to avoid starvation themselves, or ii) let that starving kid die so that the problem is solved there and then.

Childhood mortality.

[Al B. Sure!]

It's so odd that Drix has gone from... we need to sterilize the dumb people to the intelligent people are currently being sterilized to the liberal intelligent people need to be sterilized. Make up your damn mind, you loon

[DriXnaK]

I don't believe it's my fault that you can't seem to understand the OP Al. This wasn't really written with you in mind anyway. As you can see, I didn't include any pictures.

[Elok]

What kind of simpleton can't understand that the only way to protect our country from the creeping tide of Stalinism is to designate our ideological opponents as class enemies and forcibly neutralize them?

[Thoth]

What kind of simpleton can't understand that the only way to protect our country from the creeping tide of Stalinism is to designate our ideological opponents as class enemies and forcibly neutralize them?

[Heraclitus]

"Evolution" (by which you mean natural selection) is working just fine. It always does. It just so happens that our society naturally selects for qualities other than those you find desirable.

This.

Sterilizing those that have high reproductive fitness isn't the answer; the answer is to improve the reproductive fitness of those people with qualities you find desirable.

To be fair one of his auxiliary claims (with which I agree) is that the traits he finds desirable could easily be high fitness in another form of social organisation but that the welfare state sans eugenics (btw a interesting note is that most early social democrats and socialists where eugenics enthusiasts considering state run eugenics the most human alternative to libertarian social darwinism) depresses and punishes these traits. He also implicitly accepts that the only reason we have such a form of social organization is because people have the wrong perception that they can help low IQ people in such a way without making more of them. This will remain true until universal healthcare will cover genetically engineering offspring and the technology will allow people to choose higher IQs.

I think this is true, if people knew at a gut level just how fast changes in trait frequencies can come about under selective pressures they would be much more approving of either libertarianism, eugenics or genetic engineering research.

[Heraclitus]

If the cost of reproduction is prohibitive - such that intelligent people engage in the act less often than others - simply lower the cost of reproduction for intelligent people. Then the effective reproductive fitness of intelligent people in their habitat increases because they will be more willing to engage in the act of reproduction.

The basic gripe is that the way society is structured is that you can't reduce the cost of reproduction for intelligent people without decreasing it even more for less intelligent people.


BTW To be perfectly clear I am not endorses forced sterilisation. I however wouldn't have a problem with a policy of encouraging voluntary sterilisation or contraceptive measures for low IQ people, this however might conflict with my nascent proChristian stance (I'm still working out the full implications of my shift from a Atheistic world view to a well, I can't even say theist since I'm not sure where exactly my philosophical position is taking me).