The French dress code

[Al B. Sure!]

Common people yes, gummint no

yes or no to what? You realize that doesn't answer the question... technically, I asked if that is the question so the answer would be either, yes that is the question or no that is not the question.

However, if you took it as a question in itself as in is American less or as prejudiced as France? to say people yes, government no does not answer the question because the question was an either or question. To say, the American people are as prejudiced as the French people but the government of the US is less prejudiced than the government of France, that would be an answer that I think you mean but it's not clear.

Do you see how you didn't answer the question? Is America less or as.... the answer is not yes or no... it's less or as.

[BlackCat]

Yup, stoning of people having sex out of mariage could also be a possibility - dang, lots of stones wil be needed in both EU and yankystan

[Az]

It's amazing. We don't even have this debate in this country... your religious customs are your own business and as long as no one is being hurt by it, no law can prohibit what you do. If a woman wants to wear it, who the **** gives a damn? Let them.

Can anyone from a country of the free (besides Oerdin who has issues) find any justification for this?

the degree of power some particular segments of society have over shaping their children's education and culture (or lack of them) coupled with demographic trends are what's bringing your once glorious country to it's downfall. Think idiocracy, but much more boring and mundane. Such a country won't survive. such a society will simply be replaced with healthier ones.

This is basically the same issue with Europe, but europe is not as freedom inclined as the US, so it can allow itself to change gears whenever freedom lets it go the wrong way.

People are born free? rubbish. People are born into a world of circumstances which are completely controlled by their parents. And if your parents don't provide you the atmosphere in which you can stop and think for yourself (either through indoctrination or neglect), then you are basically a slave to your parents' consequences.

[BlackCat]

yes or no to what? You realize that doesn't answer the question... technically, I asked if that is the question so the answer would be either, yes that is the question or no that is not the question.

However, if you took it as a question in itself as in is American less or as prejudiced as France? to say people yes, government no does not answer the question because the question was an either or question. To say, the American people are as prejudiced as the French people but the government of the US is less prejudiced than the government of France, that would be an answer that I think you mean but it's not clear.

Do you see how you didn't answer the question? Is America less or as.... the answer is not yes or no... it's less or as.

what is you problem ? I say that the yankystani government is pretty nontheistic, while the public is the quite opposite - guess that is why you politicians has to fake their religiosisty.

[BlackCat]

People are born free? rubbish. People are born into a world of circumstances which are completely controlled by their parents. And if your parents don't provide you the atmosphere in which you can stop and think for yourself (either through indoctrination or neglect), then you are basically a slave to your parents' consequences.

Yeah, and that goes for both Israelis and palestineans, so it will take a long time for you to come to peace Maybe on a very long term the irish way may be a way.

[Dinner]

It's amazing. We don't even have this debate in this country... your religious customs are your own business and as long as no one is being hurt by it, no law can prohibit what you do. If a woman wants to wear it, who the **** gives a damn? Let them.

Can anyone from a country of the free (besides Oerdin who has issues) find any justification for this?

Obviously you haven't seen the Islamic fundamentalists in London holding signs promising to kill people while wearing rags over their faces. Being able to identify people by not allowing people to cover their faces every day is a basic law and order issue and it NEVER has anything to do with religion since the Koran never called for it. It's simply an evil cultural practice designed to oppress and subjugate women while denying them equal rights and as such it causes immense harm. That's why Turkey outlawed the practice for like 70 years.

How come you weren't protesting when the Turks spent three generations banning this barbaric practice but you suddenly call the French racists for doing the exact same thing? Where the Turks evil racists against themselves?

[Al B. Sure!]

The Turkish ban has only been around since 1997

70 years

[Dinner]

This is ridiculous.

The US is a nation largely built of people who fled something, whether it was poverty or war or oppression. Given that, I find it unbelievably arrogant of you to presume that anyone should have to conform to American culture or stay out. Chances are somebody said something similar to one of your ancestors and that's why they came here.

Unlikely since my ancestors were British so we've been consistently telling others to conform or stay out.

Either way it doesn't matter. When in in Rome you do as the Romans do so when people come here they need to conform mostly to the American way. Same goes for France.

[Dinner]

The Turkish ban has only been around since 1997

70 years

The forced secularization by Ataturk started with the founding of the Turkish Republic in the early 20's. There was an immense social and political pressure for people to adopt the secular line including not wearing traditional religious garbs. Literally since the 1920's you couldn't go into any government owned space (schools, courts, work places, etc...) wearing unapproved clothing and since the government was big into Turkish industry for much of the Republic's history that meant a whole lot of places you wouldn't think. It was extended to all public places in the 1990's but it's defacto been there for decades and decades. They only changed the law making it official in all places because of a rising Islamic revival.

[BlackCat]

The Turkish ban has only been around since 1997

70 years

Well, Oerdin usually get his facts wrong except when it's about geological questions. The turks has diverted(?) religion and state since Ataturk
wich is some 70 years ago.

[Kitschum]

Amerikkka sux 4 eva. That is all that matters.

[BlackCat]

Swedes aren't allowed to express their views

[Kitschum]

That is plainly untrue and very false I will have you know. We (us) are (still) allowed to express politically correct views and there is nothing more correct, politically or any other way, than USA = suxx. Christian or Muslim, Frenchman or Roma, Swede or Alcoholic Nicotinist Dane, everyone agrees!

[Al B. Sure!]

This may be good though... maybe France will replace America as the Great Satan

[Dinner]

Well, Oerdin usually get his facts wrong except when it's about geological questions. The turks has diverted(?) religion and state since Ataturk
wich is some 70 years ago.

Says the dumbest poster here besides Ben.