Swedish election - could it end in violent revolution ?

[BlackCat]

Is this quote really true :

Sahlin has said that many Swedes are envious of immigrants because they, unlike the Swedes, have a culture, a history, something which ties them together.

I must admit that we made a serious blow to swedish culture back in 1520, but you have had some 500 years to build a new - even you lazy swedes should be able to do that

I stole the quote from here :

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3582

Bet you swedes can say something about it

[Kitschum]

She said something like that, yes. I wouldn't call it a "triumph" of anything though considering where she's polling. Sahlin is very disliked even among her own.

[BlackCat]

I bet that real swedes can understand such a statement - it's only the rest that are confused and vote for SD

[Kitschum]

Don't be naive. That audience for that statement was not "real" Swedes. For one it was made in a magazine called "Euroturk" that no blonde person reads.

Sahlin is a professional politician, an imbecile with no education and no principles but she knew what she was doing which is to say anything to get elected. She tells immigrants they're special in their own way, she tells women they're special, and she tells union workers they're special.

She's not pandering to self-hatred at all like the people in your extremist blogs like to think. Have you seen a picture of her? Does she look like someone who hates herself?

[Pekka]

I guess self hating Swede is a proper term here. Implying Sweden has no culture is ridiculous. All countries have history and culture. Just because it's your own doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It just means that this person likes some other culture more.

By the way, according to her logic, isn't that borderline racist anyway? If I said that my Finnish culture is way superior to your X culture, my culture is healthier, strives to be non-sexist, strives to be for equality and as such has risen to be one of the top countries in the world by any standard you would like to use, unlike your X culture, which is at the bottom, she would probably pull out the nazi card, right?

My gosh, I mean is this your politician? She's saying that we are idiots and we have a stupid culture, and you are jealous of others? And you pay her salary, she represents you? Wow. If she likes some other culture so much better, maybe she should go there? She'd be happier.

[BlackCat]

Don't be naive. That audience for that statement was not "real" Swedes. For one it was made in a magazine called "Euroturk" that no blonde person reads.

Honestly, I really think that it was for "real" swedes - please note the "" thingies.

Sahlin is a professional politician, an imbecile with no education and no principles but she knew what she was doing which is to say anything to get elected. She tells immigrants they're special in their own way, she tells women they're special, and she tells union workers they're special.

Yeah, that is fine but doesn't work when those not targeted reads it

EDIT: dang, forgot to say that that site isn't "mine" - just one that I stumbled over.

She's not pandering to self-hatred at all like the people in your extremist blogs like to think. Have you seen a picture of her? Does she look like someone who hates herself?

Do you really want a honest answer on her piccy ? Well, she may not hate herself, but I guess that she hates anyone that questions her rule

[Kitschum]

By the way, this stat should be pretty shocking for Social Democrats, from Peter Wolodarski's editorial:

Right now Mona Sahlin repulses many male voters. In DN/Synovate [poll] the party is only supported by 22.8 per cent of males, which can be compared with the male-dominated Sweden Democrats which reaches 10.0 per cent. Even more apparent is the trend among men below 44 years of age where the distance between SD and S is just a few frightening percentage points.

http://www.dn.se/ledare/signerat/slutet-pa-en-epok-1.1169069

[Kitschum]

Yeah, that is fine but doesn't work when those not targeted reads it

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Do you really want a honest answer on her piccy ? Well, she may not hate herself, but I guess that she hates anyone that questions her rule

That's exactly it, on both counts. She's a witch, but she's a politician too.

[BlackCat]

Pekka, in the convoluted language of antiracists, it's first of all given that whities are racist, only whities of the real belief isn't racists. Due to this real belivers aren't racists when they say racist things about whities of the wrong faith

[BlackCat]

That's exactly it, on both counts. She's a witch, but she's a politician too.

Yeah, but that should actually make her worse than Pia Kjærsgård

[Kitschum]

I don't think so because if I thought she truly believed all the things she's said, and her supposed Marxist, globalist, anti-Western agenda, I'd be really frightened. So in a way I understand where the extremist position comes from (and I'm not saying that SD is even all that extreme, but there are others a few steps out).

[BlackCat]

So you are willingly voting on a lying ***** that you really don't know what will do if she gains power ? You swedes are really weird.

[Kitschum]

Are you new to politics? Politicians are addicted to power. You didn't know this?

The Social Democrats are the quintessential power party. They've ruled Sweden for 55(!!) of the last 65 years, and have become a national institution, an octopus with tentacles in every part of society, and even a part of Swedish national character. They didn't accomplish this by being the most honest; it was by balancing the interests of many different groups, by rallying them all come elections, and then ignoring them and running the country semi-competently for most of the term. It was hard-nosed and it worked.

And you're right, I do prefer pragmatic politicians who give mixed messages to dangerous idealists however honest. Now as for Sahlin, it is pretty clear what "she" (= her party) wants to do and it basically amounts to lowering taxes for pensioners, raising taxes for the wealthy and hiring more teachers and health care workers. She is not being voted dictator and "she" again can't diverge too radically from her promises if she wants to be re-elected. That is how democracy works which is apparently so foreign to you.

As for the "you" I'm certainly not voting for her! This thread has been bizarre for me because I'm wasting a lot of words defending, or at least trying to put into context, two parties that I detest.

[BlackCat]

Well, I admit that I might have been a bit provocative, but given in mild doses, it gives interesting answers - hope youre not that angry

Considering my age and what I have seen here, I really don't consider myself as a newbie, but I must also admit that I'm accustomed to danish policies, and they honestly are pretty different from swedish. If Helle Thorning-Schmidt had tried to do what Sahlin has done she would have been dead - well, not litterally, but certainly political. Even (S) positive newpapers would have gone for her throath, and not for a caress.

As for the "you" I'm certainly not voting for her! This thread has been bizarre for me because I'm wasting a lot of words defending, or at least trying to put into context, two parties that I detest.

And you certainly have done a good job. There are usually no problem in defending something that you agree with, while doing the opposite is pretty difficult. Though, wich one do you consider most educating/entertaining/giving ?

[a.kitman]

but I must also admit that I'm accustomed to danish policies, and they honestly are pretty different from swedish.

your still hampering on this point besides evidence to the contrary. the fact is they are basicly the same. and to be honest that scares me. are we going to be come a country whos politics and media is hi-jacked by a group of haters?

as we have seen in this thread the danish press fact checking is so atrocious they havent even heard of wikipedia. and a political correctness that have gone way out of hand, anyone who dares say a bad thing about danish culture is harassed and frozen out.