Swedish election - could it end in violent revolution ?

[a.kitman]

your little brother complex is adorable but you might want to try criticising a country ranked lower on most of the "freedom lists". if you really wanted to know how it worked you could easily find it on wikipedia.

and since your media seem to be spreading flat out lies i will also inform you that SD have been in debates on TV4.

infact SD are getting alot more media coverage then other partys there size is getting. largly by crying in the media that they arent getting any covarge.

why you and the media i both sweden and denmark let yourself get played by these haters i will never know.

oh and they changed the commiercal so it was less blantetly racist and it got on TV4.

[Kitschum]

OK, I'll do the dirty work.

Could one of you swedes please say that I have misunderstood your voting system

Partly yes.

When you go to your voting place, you are handed over one ballot with all potential candidates/parties on it

I understand you do this in Denmark, but I don't get how it works. Is the ballot a square meter or a roll like toilet paper?

you are not expected to pick up one, evt more, ballots in public, each of them special for a certain party,

You can do that, or you can bring one from home. The major parties send out packages in the mail with ballots included. You can also take a blank ballot and write the name of your party on it. Or write a dirty word if you want to be a rebel.

This is how it usually is for me when I vote: I go to the designated place, a school across the street in my case. Outside are members from several parties who you can talk to if you want. I proudly stride right by them shoving my hands in all of their faces to show I have already made up my mind as a responsible voter.

When I enter there is a small hallway with a table full of ballots. I find the ones marked GANJA PARTY LEGALIZE IT and pcik up three color-coded ballot papers (for national, regional, local elections) to bring into the main room with me. There might be a short line of regular people waiting, but I've never noticed anybody watching me.

I wait for a voting screen to free up, receive three envelopes, go behind the screen, put the ballots in the envelopes and lick them. I go to the nice old ladies, I mean functionaries, and show them my ID and voter's card. They cross me off the list and put my envelopes in the boxes. Done. Now is that so bad?

and that it's not the individual parties responsibilty to produce and place them at the voting site.

Only for parties <1% in the last election, I think. Otherwise it's the government's responsibility. Or you can have them sent to you and bring them, or write on a blank like I explained.

your little brother complex is adorable

Denmark, are you kidding? It's more like crazy uncle complex.

oh and they changed the commiercal so it was less blantetly racist and it got on TV4.

They blurred the pensioner and the burqa women and put CENSORED BY TV4 over it.

[Meticulous Man]

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[BlackCat]

your little brother complex is adorable but you might want to try criticising a country ranked lower on most of the "freedom lists". if you really wanted to know how it worked you could easily find it on wikipedia.

yeah, I could have done that, but I find it way more interesting to discuss it with real swedes than a wiki page.

and since your media seem to be spreading flat out lies i will also inform you that SD have been in debates on TV4.

Flat out lies is probably an exaggeration - I would say, that what you consider normal, we consider a bit weird. About SD on TV4, I guess that TV4 has caved in - their CEO was pretty stern when he stated that only parties already in parliament would be allowed to participate in debates - "that is swedish tradition" he stated when interviewed by a danish TV station.

infact SD are getting alot more media coverage then other partys there size is getting. largly by crying in the media that they arent getting any covarge.

why you and the media i both sweden and denmark let yourself get played by these haters i will never know.

You get it wrong - it's you that are giving them the attention and the coverage by trying to subdue their pov's. Please, I'm danish, and we have been through the same stuff and it doesn't work.

oh and they changed the commiercal so it was less blantetly racist and it got on TV4.

Yeah, talking about an attempt to control politics that has failed totally

[BlackCat]

OK, I'll do the dirty work.

Yep, there are always a swede ready to do the dirty things Thank you for a decent answer

I understand you do this in Denmark, but I don't get how it works. Is the ballot a square meter or a roll like toilet paper?

It's not really that bad - I think that the largest I have ever got was about one meter long and 30 cm across.

You can do that, or you can bring one from home. The major parties send out packages in the mail with ballots included. You can also take a blank ballot and write the name of your party on it. Or write a dirty word if you want to be a rebel.

I'll bet that your dirty word vocabulary is pretty big

This is how it usually is for me when I vote: I go to the designated place, a school across the street in my case. Outside are members from several parties who you can talk to if you want. I proudly stride right by them shoving my hands in all of their faces to show I have already made up my mind as a responsible voter.

Those pressure group are also allowed here, but I really can't remember meeting such. Maybe our politicians has more respect for the voters than yours

When I enter there is a small hallway with a table full of ballots. I find the ones marked GANJA PARTY LEGALIZE IT and pcik up three color-coded ballot papers (for national, regional, local elections) to bring into the main room with me. There might be a short line of regular people waiting, but I've never noticed anybody watching me.

I wait for a voting screen to free up, receive three envelopes, go behind the screen, put the ballots in the envelopes and lick them. I go to the nice old ladies, I mean functionaries, and show them my ID and voter's card. They cross me off the list and put my envelopes in the boxes. Done. Now is that so bad?

Well, most of it is ok - the part where you have to pick up that GANJA ballot is a bit fishy. Here you identify yourself and are given a neutral ballot (or more if there are seval cases on vote) where you can put your X'es.

Only for parties <1% in the last election, I think. Otherwise it's the government's responsibility. Or you can have them sent to you and bring them, or write on a blank like I explained.

I find it a bit funny that apparently everyone can make their own party and automatically be electable while you hold a 4 % limit We use a procedure that may be bad for small parties - they have to find about 20.000 or so (1 % of voters) to sign that they support that the party may participate (they aren't supposed to vote on that party). Though, they only have to get 2 % of the votes to get into parliament.

[GePap]

A violent bloodbath might just make Sweden interesting, for a few minutes.

[Thoth]

I wait for a voting screen to free up, receive three envelopes, go behind the screen, put the ballots in the envelopes and lick them. I go to the nice old ladies, I mean functionaries, and show them my ID and voter's card. They cross me off the list and put my envelopes in the boxes. Done. Now is that so bad?

Yes. You are an evil person for licking the envelopes and not licking the "nice old ladies" who need a good licking far more than some humdrum paper envelope does.

Where's your sense of social responsibility? "Nice old ladies" need to get laid too you know.

[Kitschum]

It's not really that bad - I think that the largest I have ever got was about one meter long and 30 cm across.

I was just thinking about that: We have 40 nationally registered parties. All nationally registered parties are automatically registered in regional and local elections and regional parties are automatically registered in local elections. So for instance, my region has 10 additional parties, and my municipality has two. That means there would be 52(!) parties on my local ballot.

The major parties have 25-50 candidates listed with name, age and occupation. This is necessary because you can vote "in" a particular person as you vote for their party. After counting votes for parties, the candidates with most checks get in first.

Presumably minor parties have much shorter, or non-existent, lists, but they might feel discriminated against if they weren't allotted the same space on the ballot as the others. I suppose we could make the ballot a booklet.

I'll bet that your dirty word vocabulary is pretty big

Are you flirting with me?

Those pressure group are also allowed here, but I really can't remember meeting such. Maybe our politicians has more respect for the voters than yours

Yes, political propaganda is not allowed inside the voting station, so they stand right outside trying to smile the widest smiles they can, but often they just look embarrassed.

Well, most of it is ok - the part where you have to pick up that GANJA ballot is a bit fishy. Here you identify yourself and are given a neutral ballot (or more if there are seval cases on vote) where you can put your X'es.

You might not be familiar with Swedish manners. Whenever strangers meet you must look down on the floor and pretend not to notice the other person. That applies double in the voting station. Never have I noticed anybody loitering about the ballot table watching over my shoulder, but of course I can't rule out that there have been incidents in some place at some point and not everyone is as polite as me.

I realize that theoretically you could meet a neighbor there and they could be indiscreet and watch as you pick and you might feel intimidated, but as far as I know this is a very marginal concern right now that has only surfaced because SD is afraid to not get into parliament and is turning every stone to make sure they get in or have something to blame if they don't.

An easy solution, if this is indeed perceived widely as a problem, could be to put up another screen around the ballot table and only allow one person in at a time.

We use a procedure that may be bad for small parties - they have to find about 20.000 or so (1 % of voters) to sign that they support that the party may participate (they aren't supposed to vote on that party).

Yes, here you just need 1500 signatures to register your party name nationally which might explain the overflow of miniscule parties. Though you don't even need to register to be counted.

[Kitschum]

I have been watching some SD-related stuff on YouTube and it's funny how much these guys resemble their Finnish buddies on all points. They too used to be whackos with black uniforms until they realized that stuff like that doesn't exactly cut it anymore and morphed into their current form.

They are certainly a party full of contradictions.

SD has the most immigrants on their election list

Sweden Democrats is the only party in Södertälje where immigrants are a majority on the ballot. One of them is Nader Helawi.


- SD is the only party that safeguards the nation of Sweden, he says.

SD:s list for municipality council contains eight candidates where five have immigrant background. One Finn and four from the Middle East, of which three are Christian Chaldeans.
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But he also meets resistance.
- They say we are against immigrants, and teachers at Komvux [adult education] tell the students not to accept our magazine, says Nader Helawi.

SD is being branded as hostile to immigrants, and a lot of people might feel that it is odd that you as an immigrant are with them. Comment?

- They don't know what SD stands for. I am for SD because it is the only party that safeguards the nation. I have worked in other countries in the Middle East and been treated badly. Only in Sweden have I been treated as a complete human being. Here I felt secure. And that is why I want to safeguard the nation of Sweden, says Nader Helawi.

Another reason that he picked SD is the party's resistance to Islamic fundamentalism.
- I have many Muslim friends and they shall certainly have the right to practice their faith. But I don't think that mosques are appropriate in Sweden. And neither veils in work-places or schools, says Nader Helawi.

http://lt.se/nyheter/1.810001-sd-har-flest-invandrare-pa-vallistan


On the other hand...

Africans have 'child rape gene': Sweden Democrat

Wahlberg occupies 26th place on the Sweden Democrats list for municipal elections in Landskrona in southern Sweden and he currently sits on the culture committee and election commission. The party claimed 11 seats in Landskrona municipality at the last election in 2006.

On his blog "Landskronabackspegel" (Literally: Landskrona rearview mirror) Wahlberg, a 76-year-old retiree and one of the party's more experienced members, published a post on the genetic characteristics of black Africans:

"For many thousands of years, the Negro could chill out in the heat, eat some bananas, rape some passing woman or child, fight with other negro males and eat them up, play the drums a little, run around a bit, catch an antelope, eat a few bananas, **** a bit, get drunk on fermented fruits or herbs, and so on. This has been going on for millennia without any evolutionary pressure in the form of environmental factors forcing the negro to develop in another direction."

Wahlberg told The Local on Friday that the quotes are all taken from the provocative Swedish political and media discussion forum Flashback, and are written "ironically".

Nevertheless, he declined to distance himself from the broad content of the post.

"You could say that some parts have some truth to them. But generally speaking it is written with irony," he said.

In a prior recent interview with the local Helsingborgs Dagblad (HD) daily, Wahlberg was more forthright over his personal views.

"I think that it was quite an accurate description. If we look at history, then humanity began in Africa once upon a time, and then there were some who emigrated to Europe and Asia. But at what level are they now? Not much has happened over these thousands of years," he told the newspaper.

Wahlberg's blog furthermore includes several recent posts critical of Islam and Muslims.

Despite the nature of his blog, Wahlberg told The Local late Friday morning that he has not received any internal criticism from the party hierarchy.

However, in the wake of the attention given to Wahlberg's blog by Sweden's mainstream media, he has since left the party.
...

http://www.thelocal.se/28752/20100903/

[a.kitman]

You get it wrong - it's you that are giving them the attention and the coverage by trying to subdue their pov's. Please, I'm danish, and we have been through the same stuff and it doesn't work.

iam getting it wrong? i could of sworn you where the thread starter and the one who accused tv4s chairman for haveing sick excuses not letting SD participate. even tho SD just didnt make the cutoff rules that been in place for years on there tv debates.

how are tv4 trying to subdue SD povs? and every time you say that a SD jumps whit joy. keep spreading there lies. that right there is my entire point. cus if they where trying to subdue there politics id be outranged. but just looking at the facts that just simply isnt the case.

its sad that you cant expect journalist these days to do some simple fact check.

[Meticulous Man]

They are certainly a party full of contradictions.

It would be the ultimate irony if the immigrant SDs got elected and those guys with suits and nice guy looks were left outside.

[Nikolai]

I for one hope Sweden wakes up soon. It's getting more and more "Texas", as one say, there every day. I'm not sure I would be glad to support SD myself if I were a Swede, they have an....interesting past, but right now they are the only ones who give a damn about Sweden's challenges it seems. The rest of the parties are just holding over their ears and shouting "na-na, can't hear you" whenever an issue arises.

[a.kitman]

0.1/10

[Meticulous Man]

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[BlackCat]

iam getting it wrong? i could of sworn you where the thread starter and the one who accused tv4s chairman for haveing sick excuses not letting SD participate. even tho SD just didnt make the cutoff rules that been in place for years on there tv debates.

Well, I compared with how it's done here and hadn't a full understanding of swedish way - fortunatedly Kitchum was kind enough to enlighthen me - despite that, I still consider the swedish way pretty sick/weird

how are tv4 trying to subdue SD povs? and every time you say that a SD jumps whit joy. keep spreading there lies. that right there is my entire point. cus if they where trying to subdue there politics id be outranged. but just looking at the facts that just simply isnt the case.

its sad that you cant expect journalist these days to do some simple fact check.

Could you please translate this into something comprehensible ?