Swedish election - could it end in violent revolution ?

[BlackCat]

JG havent been the "right" kind of people for ages. and you apperently dont know why JG mentioned thos jobs either. he is a douch but he is not stupid, he would not make such an easy misstake as you think he would.

Well, let's take the whole message that I picked from :

Den rolige svenske attitude – som driver de fremmedfjendske i Norge og Danmark til vanvid – skyldes måske netop, at så mange indvandrere lever iblandt os, og at vi møder dem i bageriet, blomsterbutikken, tobakskiosken eller møntvaskeriet.

I don't know how it is in Norway, but I can guarantee that there are lots of immigrants in those positions here too, so that part is prime BS. So clearly it's a stupid comment. Next is why he specifically mention exactly those - my guess is that it is where he meet them, and then we are back to my point that ordinary people meet them at lots of other places.

the fact that you think JG is one of the right people really makes me laugh. you have no clue about sweden. non what so ever.

I'm pretty sure that you and I have different opinions of "right" people. My guess is that you mean people with the right opinions, I mean people that other people may listen to due to their kändiss factor.

[a.kitman]

you manage to get everything wrong, it is impressive. everyone in sweden knows JG is a leftist elitdouch, he knows that. so instead he use common jobs. and infact i would think most swedes would use common jobs as examples, because you see we got a thing for people whit common jobs.

and i got that by "right" you meant people whit star power. JG does not have any of that left what so ever. why he is stuck in aftonbladets opiniotainment. last time i read aftonbladet these kolums where hidden away either on the back or somewhere between the sport pages and the celebrity news. usually thos higher up on that ladder could be found on the back. and JG couldnt even make thos.

[BlackCat]

Just curious - wtf has rated this thread 5 stars ?

[BlackCat]

you manage to get everything wrong, it is impressive. everyone in sweden knows JG is a leftist elitdouch, he knows that. so instead he use common jobs. and infact i would think most swedes would use common jobs as examples, because you see we got a thing for people whit common jobs.

Christ, using nonskilled jobs as an example of how good we are to handle immigrants and how good we are to them - can't you see the idiocy in this ?

and i got that by "right" you meant people whit star power. JG does not have any of that left what so ever. why he is stuck in aftonbladets opiniotainment. last time i read aftonbladet these kolums where hidden away either on the back or somewhere between the sport pages and the celebrity news. usually thos higher up on that ladder could be found on the back. and JG couldnt even make thos.

Sure, you're the man

[a.kitman]

Christ, using nonskilled jobs as an example of how good we are to handle immigrants and how good we are to them - can't you see the idiocy in this ?

the jobs he mentioned are not looked down on in sweden. common descent jobs.

[BlackCat]

the jobs he mentioned are not looked down on in sweden. common descent jobs.

First a little correction, you seriously don't mean "descent", the word you probably are looking for is decent - your spelling is actually a bit offending .

Neither are they here, but we do actually want to have our immigrants to act like the rest of the population - that is get educations and having high paid jobs. What you actually are saying is that you need the immigrants to take the decent but low paid jobs that real swedes won't do.

[BlackCat]

@Kit:

I'm a bit curious. I hear in the radio that something like 4 out of the 5.7 % that SD got came from S - is that true ? If true, it's much like here where DF takes voters from the left wing and not the right as "some" may expect.

[a.kitman]

iam not going to explain it to you again. if you dont want to get it thats fine by me.

you are a good sleeping pill tho.

[BlackCat]

iam not going to explain it to you again. if you dont want to get it thats fine by me.

I really want to understand you, but it is a problem when you aren't able to present something comprehensible. You claim that JG isn't reliable though still claim that he is right. Please descide what you really mean.

[Kitschum]

@Kit:

I'm a bit curious. I hear in the radio that something like 4 out of the 5.7 % that SD got came from S - is that true ? If true, it's much like here where DF takes voters from the left wing and not the right as "some" may expect.

I was slightly tipsy on the night but iirc the exit poll made by SVT (state television) showed that compared to the 2006 election SD "stole" 0.7% (percentage points not percent) from former Moderate voters, 0.5% from former Soc.Dem voters, and 0.1% from each of the other parties - including the Communists and the Greens, which was slightly surprising to me. That makes 0.5+0.1+0.1=0.7% from the Red-Greens and 0.7+0.1+0.1+0.1=1.0% from the Alliance parties.

I also remember from the last time a similar party was in parliament (Ny demokrati during 1991-1994) that they were about twice as strong among LO (union) workers (traditional Soc.Dem institution) compared to the entire population. I assume SD is similar, but I haven't looked for the actual numbers because I'm pretty sure of what I'll find.

My impression is that SD is center-left in most budgetary issues but with conservative ideas about family, sexuality and culture. I haven't counted but it appears to me like they have an equal number of former Soc.dems and former Moderate politicians on their lists. Labelling them "far-right" as some do - especially English language news outlets - is definitely wrong.

[BlackCat]

Thank you very much Kit, it's one of the nice things here on Poly - you can talk seriously amongst all the bickering

Yeah, you are right that people tend to ignore that these parties (SD, DF etc) actually get their voters from what typically would be considered leftwingers. (though, I agree that the Commie/green numbers also puzzels me - they are usually pretty hardcore).

[Meticulous Man]

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[Kitschum]

Final result of the parliamentary elections got in today. We knew that it'd be close and we learned recently that the election system is too stupid to cope with very close results, so the question was whether this would effect the outcome in any way.



You might need to right-click / view image to see them

Look at all the stupid tiny parties we have:

http://www.val.se/

Thankfully the answer is no, but damn was it close. The Alliance parties all put together got 49.272% of the vote. The Red-Green parties got 43.604%, but add SD to them and you get 49.301%. Counting just the parliamentary parties we have 49.985%/50.015%. In actual votes the difference is 1805 which is also less than the number of illegal (illegible) votes!

The present result means the Alliance parties get 173 seats, the Red-Greens 156, and SD 20 so Sweden will get a minority government unless something extraordinary were to happen. I am not going to delve into how seats are divided because it is complicated (and stupid) but according to a mathematician quoted by the SvD newspaper the actual number of votes which separated the Alliance from a parliamentary majority was 814...

Then consider that there were apparently 50 votes wrongly judged illegal in Arvika, another 200 postal votes that were never sent in Halmstad, and who knows what else? Let's just be happy it's over and move on!

[Meticulous Man]

Are Finns well represented in Spritpartiet?

[BlackCat]

My guess is that they created it and gives their children a lifetime membership at birth

OT, I'm a bit sorry that the late votes didn't push the result up to 175 - while I still find it fine that SD is represented, I would though prefer a sweden with a stable government. Oh, and don't get it wrong, sweden in disarray is just fine, but we earn more from a stable sweden .