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    AUGUST 25, 2010, 8:30 PM
    Building a Nation of Know-Nothings

    By TIMOTHY EGAN
    Timothy Egan on American politics and life, as seen from the West.

    Having shed much of his dignity, core convictions and reputation for straight talk, Senator John McCain won his primary on Tuesday against the flat-earth wing of his party. Now McCain can go search for his lost character, which was last on display late in his 2008 campaign for president.

    Remember the moment: a woman with matted hair and a shaky voice rose to express her doubts about Barack Obama. “I have read about him,” she said, “and he’s not — he’s an Arab.”

    McCain was quick to knock down the lie. “No, ma’am,” he said, “he’s a decent family man, a citizen.”

    That ill-informed woman — her head stuffed with fabrications that could be disproved by a pre-schooler — now makes up a representative third or more of the Republican party. It’s not just that 46 percent of Republicans believe the lie that Obama is a Muslim, or that 27 percent in the party doubt that the president of the United States is a citizen. But fully half of them believe falsely that the big bailout of banks and insurance companies under TARP was enacted by Obama, and not by President Bush.

    Take a look at Tuesday night’s box score in the baseball game between New York and Toronto. The Yankees won, 11-5. Now look at the weather summary, showing a high of 71 for New York. The score and temperature are not subject to debate.

    Yet a president’s birthday or whether he was even in the White House on the day TARP was passed are apparently open questions. A growing segment of the party poised to take control of Congress has bought into denial of the basic truths of Barack Obama’s life. What’s more, this astonishing level of willful ignorance has come about largely by design, and has been aided by a press afraid to call out the primary architects of the lies.

    The Democrats may deserve to lose in November. They have been terrible at trying to explain who they stand for and the larger goal of their governance. But if they lose, it should be because their policies are unpopular or ill-conceived — not because millions of people believe a lie.

    In the much-discussed Pew poll reporting the spike in ignorance, those who believe Obama to be Muslim say they got their information from the media. But no reputable news agency — that is, fact-based, one that corrects its errors quickly — has spread such inaccuracies.

    So where is this “media?” Two sources, and they are — no surprise here — the usual suspects. The first, of course, is Rush Limbaugh, who claims the largest radio audience in the land among the microphone demagogues, and his word is Biblical among Republicans. A few quick examples of the Limbaugh method:

    “Tomorrow is Obama’s birthday — not that we’ve seen any proof of that,” he said on Aug. 3. “They tell us Aug. 4 is the birthday; we haven’t seen any proof of that.”

    Of course, there is proof as clear as that baseball box score. Look here, www.factcheck.org, for starters, one of many places posting Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate.

    On the Muslim deception, Limbaugh has sprinkled lie dust all over the place. “Obama says he’s a Christian, but where’s the evidence?” he said on Aug. 19. He has repeatedly called the president “imam Obama,” and said, “I’m just throwing things out there, folks, because people are questioning his Christianity.”

    You see how he works. He drops in suggestions, hints, notes that “people are questioning” things. The design is to make Obama un-American. Then he says it’s a tweak, a provocation. He says this as a preemptive way to keep the press from calling him out. And it works; long profiles of Limbaugh have largely gone easy on him.

    Once Limbaugh has planted a lie, a prominent politician can pick it up, with little nuance. So, over the weekend, Kim Lehman, one of Iowa’s two Republican National Committee members, went public with doubts on Obama’s Christianity. Of course, she was not condemned by party leaders.

    It’s curious, also, that any felon, drug addict, or recovering hedonist can loudly proclaim a sudden embrace of Jesus and be welcomed without doubt by leaders of the religious right. But a thoughtful Christian like Obama is still distrusted.

    “I am a devout Christian,” Obama told Christianity Today in 2008. “I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.” That’s not enough, apparently, for Rev. Franklin Graham, the partisan son of the great evangelical leader, who said last week that Obama was “born a Muslim because of the religious seed passed on from his father.”

    Actually, he was born from two non-practicing parents, and his Kenyan father was absent for all of his upbringing. Obama came to his Christianity like millions of people, through searching and questioning.


    Finally, there is Fox News, whose parent company has given $1 million to Republican causes this year but still masquerades as a legitimate source of news. Their chat and opinion programs spread innuendo daily. The founder of Politifact, another nonpartisan referee to the daily rumble, said two of the site’s five most popular items on its Truth-o-meter are corrections of Glenn Beck.

    Beck tosses off enough half-truths in a month to keep Politifact working overtime. Of late, he has gone after Michelle Obama, whose vacation in Spain was “just for her and approximately 40 of her friends.” Limbaugh had a similar line, saying the First Lady “is taking 40 of her best friends and leasing 60 rooms at a five-star hotel — paid for by you.”

    The White House said Michelle Obama and her daughter Sasha were accompanied by just a few friends — and they paid their own costs. But, wink, wink, the damage is done. He’s Muslim and foreign. She’s living the luxe life on your dime. They don’t even have to mention race. The code words do it for them.

    Climate-change denial is a special category all its own. Once on the fringe, dismissal of scientific consensus is now an article of faith among leading Republicans, again taking their cue from Limbaugh and Fox.

    It would be nice to dismiss the stupid things that Americans believe as harmless, the price of having such a large, messy democracy. Plenty of hate-filled partisans swore that Abraham Lincoln was a Catholic and Franklin Roosevelt was a Jew. So what if one-in-five believe the sun revolves around the earth, or aren’t sure from which country the United States gained its independence?

    But false belief in weapons of mass-destruction led the United States to a trillion-dollar war. And trust in rising home value as a truism as reliable as a sunrise was a major contributor to the catastrophic collapse of the economy. At its worst extreme, a culture of misinformation can produce something like Iran, which is run by a Holocaust denier.

    It’s one thing to forget the past, with predictable consequences, as the favorite aphorism goes. But what about those who refuse to comprehend the present?
    So Obama came into Christianity the same way that Ben claims he came into Catholicism. Now given the current logic of America, this means that Ben is not a Catholic. Therefore, we must come to the conclusion that Ben's real agenda is to destroy the Catholic Church from the inside. However, my question is why? The Catholic Church seems to be doing a pretty good job of that on its own.
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  • #2
    well he has to have a hobby, what#s wrong with that?
    Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
    GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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    • #3
      Ben was born an Anglican/Episcopalian. Him trying to destroy the Church from the inside makes sense given his true faith.
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      • #4
        As the inventor of the "Ben being Ben" tag, I'd like to ask you to remove it from this thread until such time as it actually contains a typical BK post. That tag is supposed to function as a rating system of sorts; posters with high blood pressure can see it there and say, "hmm, this thread contains bad logic, dishonesty and vile opinions. I'd better avoid it." Tagging everything, while cute, undermines the purpose of the tag. I'd prefer that it not be removed by mods entirely, the way I suspect the other "Ben being" tags will be.
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        • #5
          Consider it pre-emptive warning, Elok.

          So Obama came into Christianity the same way that Ben claims he came into Catholicism.
          Well, for starters, I went to church until I was 7. My father was *always* there for me and my family. Always. Comparing my dad to Obama's dad is an insult.

          we must come to the conclusion that Ben's real agenda is to destroy the Catholic Church from the inside.
          I've posted my testimony, and much of it is similar to John Henry Newman, a person I found very influential when I was in UBC, and working with their members of the Newman club. I had never heard of him previous. Another person I found very influential is Scott Hahn. So if you want to know what 'flavour' I prefer, there you have it.

          Secondly, I was brought back to Christ by evangelical mennonites. The folks who were so happy to be in the West that they would praise it in Russian poetry every week. And the pastor was only too happy to let those folks speak. So comparing him to Rev. Wright, does him a disservice as well. Instead of "God Damn America" they blessed America and the West for our religious freedoms such as they were. Every week.

          I'm aware to many Catholics that I will never be a 'true' Catholic having not been baptised in the faith. I'm ok with that. I've lost 25 years outside of the Church and that is time that I will never get back. I can't claim to have been devoted to the Church for half the time that most people have been for this reason. I'm also still learning, and I will have much to learn for a very long time.

          I'm not sure why you believe I would fight the Church from the inside, Albert.

          Why am I Catholic? Because I believe they are the Church as founded by Christ. There aren't two churches but one Church, just as there is only one Head, Jesus Christ.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post

            Why am I Catholic? Because I believe they are the Church as founded by Christ. There aren't two churches but one Church, just as there is only one Head, Jesus Christ.
            that is what every infiltrator spy would say... you might not have been suspicious before, but you are suspicious now!
            Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
            GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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            • #7
              I didn't expect this to be an inquisition!
              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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              • #8
                the enemy on the inside is the most dangerous one

                other than that... I only hear they excommunicate these days, no more death penalty since 1826
                Socrates: "Good is That at which all things aim, If one knows what the good is, one will always do what is good." Brian: "Romanes eunt domus"
                GW 2013: "and juistin bieber is gay with me and we have 10 kids we live in u.s.a in the white house with obama"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                  I didn't expect this to be an inquisition!
                  Isn't that the first thing a Catholic should expect?
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #10


                    I need a foot massage

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                      I didn't expect this to be an inquisition!
                      Oh for God's sake! If nobody else will say it then I will.

                      NOBODY EVER EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!
                      "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                      • #12
                        At last. God you guys suck.
                        Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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