National Service for UK

[Hauldren Collider]

lol he wears tights and high heels wot a homo lol

I have to admit, that picture is pretty faaaabulous.

[bc1871]

A Marine Detachment from the 1880's or 1890's.....The marine on the far lower right seems to be striking a pose quite similar to those RAF Airmen.....

[Barnabas]

A Marine Detachment from the 1880's or 1890's.....The marine on the far lower right seems to be striking a pose quite similar to those RAF Airmen.....

Are these englishmen too? They look much more like soldiers than the people Al B posted

[bc1871]

Are these englishmen too? They look much more like soldiers than the people Al B posted

The above are US Marines attached to a USN warship.

[Barnabas]

Americans are better looking than Brits I guess

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

While coming from relatively humble backgrounds myself, I don't see this "only those that went through X can comment on Y " as productive.

Your opinion, maaaaaaan. Personally speaking, I mistrust moves to have the state instil parental values, proposed by someone who was not raised by his parents.

Incidentally, I'd level exactly the same criticism if the proposals were made by one emerging from the state care systems for the desperately poverty-stricken and abandoned.

Enlisting youths for public projects is great, and so is conscription. I see a very strong correlation between the extent of people's military service and their ability to get their **** together in later life here.

Britain built an Empire without universal conscription. We had National Service between 1945 and the early 60's, and it saw a generation of young people whitewashing coal.

I have absolutely no military service, and my **** is very firmly together. Meanwhile I can point you to quite a lot of jailbirds and street drinkers with military service records.

[Al B. Sure!]

Are these englishmen too? They look much more like soldiers than the people Al B posted

Way to go, Barnabas

And BC... No, you can't tell how his legs are because you can't see them behind that one Marine next to him. There's no reason to assume that he is in that Brit pose and not sitting like the other seated Marines (ie- sitting on their asses and not in a dainty style).

Oh and it's Marine.

Oh and I can't say it enough... Barnabas

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Do a Google image search on "US soldiers 1930s". With safesearch off.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Here it is, with a spot of censorship. Inspired by the posts above, I did a Google image search on "US soldiers 1930s" to see how they were seated in photos.

Second image returned?



A fine body of heterosexuals all round.

[Al B. Sure!]

Do a Google image search on "US soldiers 1930s". With safesearch off.

Don't do it! NO!!!!!!

Bugs, how did you come across that one? Were you really googling US soldiers 1930s? Did you check out the other images there on that particular image's webpage?

IT IS HORRIBLE!!!! IT'S ALL GAY RETRO PORN!

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

And inextricably linked with the US military, it seems. QED.

[Az]

Your opinion, maaaaaaan. Personally speaking, I mistrust moves to have the state instil parental values, proposed by someone who was not raised by his parents.

Incidentally, I'd level exactly the same criticism if the proposals were made by one emerging from the state care systems for the desperately poverty-stricken and abandoned.

As I've said before, he probably had almost nothing to do with writing the particulars of that proposal, and that proposal looks just half-assed enough, which hints that the people that actually formulated it weren't very enthusiastic about the whole affair.

Britain built an Empire without universal conscription. We had National Service between 1945 and the early 60's, and it saw a generation of young people whitewashing coal.

The poor implementation of these programs in the UK does not hint at their general uselesness, but rather at the UK government's poor track record at implementing them. This may very well be an argument on it's own, However the fact that "Britain built an empire" is completely irrelevant, as the whole reason for this program is a replacement for a structure of family and society that needed no replacing in the time "Britain built an empire". Incidentally, Britain's empire has little to do with this anyhow.

I have absolutely no military service, and my **** is very firmly together. Meanwhile I can point you to quite a lot of jailbirds and street drinkers with military service records.

And while your evidence is purely anecdotal, much as mine, this shows you something very interesting. In places where military service is elective, it is seen as one of the last ways for a person to go - Which both brings the dregs of society, as well as denies the more accomodated part of that generation the advantage of being pushed just hard enough for the creation of resilience that will help the get farther in life ( and it does!). However the effects of a properly implemented mandatory service are different - it serves as a melting pot ( yes, this is a good thing), it creates a wholly different perspective on social strata, and it challenges youth and young adults in a world where youth have the priviledges of adults but none of the responsibilities ( the one-child families and the stay-at-home generation)

[Az]

The whole military is hella homoerotic, and anyone who denies it, just didn't do it right.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

As I've said before, he probably had almost nothing to do with writing the particulars of that proposal, and that proposal looks just half-assed enough, which hints that the people that actually formulated it weren't very enthusiastic about the whole affair.

Nevertheless, national service was something Cameron was calling for as soon as he became Tory leader. It's definitely something he's very keen on (having never done it himself, of course.)

And while your evidence is purely anecdotal, much as mine, this shows you something very interesting. In places where military service is elective, it is seen as one of the last ways for a person to go - Which both brings the dregs of society

The British military have never been keen to bring back military service. They want volunteers, not conscripts. These "dregs" you refer to are what the officers want.

, as well as denies the more accomodated part of that generation the advantage of being pushed just hard enough for the creation of resilience that will help the get farther in life ( and it does!). However the effects of a properly implemented mandatory service are different - it serves as a melting pot ( yes, this is a good thing), it creates a wholly different perspective on social strata, and it challenges youth and young adults in a world where youth have the priviledges of adults but none of the responsibilities ( the one-child families and the stay-at-home generation)

It's been gone for two whole generations in Britain, and we are a very long way from lapsing into a 3rd World state as a result-even when compared to nations that use it.

If it's so brilliant, why aren't the nations that have it bestriding the world like a Colossus?

[The Mad Monk]

Americans are better looking than Brits I guess

We're not as inbred.