Christianity ruins families.

[giblets]

I did prove it wrong. Your quote refers to the Day of Preparation, the Friday, not the feast of Unleavened bread, the Thursday. Two different days.

When it says "day of preparation of the passover" that could very well mean the day before passover. You haven't proven it couldn't!

gribbler, I can't even understand how you arrived at this 'conflict'. It's crystal clear to me, crystal clear in John and crystal clear in the synoptics. And crystal clear to everyone else here.

Why don't you walk me through your thought process. You've gone off the rails at some point, but I can't argue further without at least understanding how you came to the concluison that you have.

No one else here has even offered their opinion on this. It's kind of arrogant to assume they do. And I gave you my reasons, I think "day of preparation of the passover" means the day before passover begins, since the first day of passover is an annual sabbath. And when it refers to that sabbath as a "high day" that seems to support that the notion that it's not an ordinary, weekly sabbath.

This is a more reasonable question. He speaks in parables all the times to the Pharisees. He's referencing Jonah throughout the quote, something the Pharisees should know and be well familiar.

Don't his parables usually involve fictional people?

[Ben Kenobi]

Uhh, I never dropped the original topic. And you never proved my interpretation of John wrong.

I did prove it wrong. Your quote refers to the Day of Preparation, the Friday, not the feast of Unleavened bread, the Thursday. Two different days.

You just forced it fit your view, regardless of what it says. If someone read John, without having ever read the other gospels, I don't think they would arrive at your conclusion about John.

gribbler, I can't even understand how you arrived at this 'conflict'. It's crystal clear to me, crystal clear in John and crystal clear in the synoptics. And crystal clear to everyone else here.

Why don't you walk me through your thought process. You've gone off the rails at some point, but I can't argue further without at least understanding how you came to the concluison that you have.

If Jesus is the "Son of Man" then I don't see how "the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" could mean something else. The Pharisees ask for a sign that he's the messiah and he says he'll be inside the earth for three days and three nights.

This is a more reasonable question. He speaks in parables all the times to the Pharisees. He's referencing Jonah throughout the quote, something the Pharisees should know and be well familiar.

[Nikolai]

Okay, so what is the tree's purpose?

Contrary to Kid, I view this as more than merely a metaphor. The tree is our chance to choose. God made humans with a free will. He wants our love and friendship, and neither can come out of a robot. If we HAD to love Him, and HAD to be His friends, he would be no better than any random dictator. What we gave wouldn't be real love, or friendship, as these are things that has to be given out of free will.

Same with good and evil. Man had to be able to choose good(God) or evil(Satan/self interest etc). As such, God made Eden, a paradise where everything were good and available to Adam and Eve. All, except one thing. The tree was the only thing not allowed to touch. By choosing to eat of it, Adam and Eve chose to turn their back on God and everything He had to offer them. They chose themselves and their own desires over God and His friendship.

[Kidlicious]

Okay, so what is the tree's purpose?

The tree is a metaphor for desires of the flesh. Desires of the flesh exist to make us stronger.

[giblets]

You may say, "how is it God's purpose?" But ask yourself, why is the tree of knowledge in the Garden in the first place?

Okay, so what is the tree's purpose?

[Kidlicious]

But when He created Satan, Satan was not evil. The fall came later. Important distinction.

I don't take the account literally. I view Genesis, in part, as the story of the creation of humans, and the explaination of their nature and purpose. It doesn't matter to me, if Satan was originally created evil or not. What matters is that he is evil, according to the will of God.

You may say, "how is it God's purpose?" But ask yourself, why is the tree of knowledge in the Garden in the first place?

edit: God said, ""The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." Man's purpose is to become like God, that is to know good and evil, but also to choose good. God didn't just create Adam in an instant, anymore than he creates a mountain range in an instant. Adam is a work in progress.

[Kidlicious]

If you really want an inconsistency, the easiest one is Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Two vastly different views of creation. But if you view it as a story of God's relation with man and don't look at it as something inerrant (ie, similar to how the Catholic Church sees it), it doesn't particular matter.

Yep, in fact the inconsistency is so obvious that it makes it more obvious that the importance of the scripture is human nature, relationship with God, and the meaning of life.

[giblets]

You got owned on the timeline, which is why you switched topics.

Uhh, I never dropped the original topic. And you never proved my interpretation of John wrong. You just forced it fit your view, regardless of what it says. If someone read John, without having ever read the other gospels, I don't think they would arrive at your conclusion about John.

If Jesus is the "Son of Man" then I don't see how "the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" could mean something else. The Pharisees ask for a sign that he's the messiah and he says he'll be inside the earth for three days and three nights.

[Ben Kenobi]

1. I haven't been "proven wrong"

You got owned on the timeline, which is why you switched topics.

2. Matthew 12:40, now how about you stop being such a douchebag

That's a reference to Jonah. No sign, except the sign of Jonah.

Mark 8:31 says, "And He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and the chief priests and the scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

1 Cor. 15:4 says, "and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

Luke 24:5-7, "and as the women were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground, the men said to them, 'Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen. Remember how He spoke to you while He was still in Galilee, saying that the Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again

Everyone seems pretty clear. He was risen on the third day.

Now, who's he talking to in Matthew?

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now one greater than Jonah is here. The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon's wisdom, and now one greater than Solomon is here.

He's talking to the Pharisees.

I think this citation is making it very clear. This is a parable. No sign except the sign of Jonah.

[giblets]

1. I haven't been "proven wrong"
2. Matthew 12:40, now how about you stop being such a douchebag

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, are you allergic to biblical citations, gribbler?

You were proven wrong about the first one.

Do you really want to be proven wrong again?

Where did Jesus say this?

[giblets]

That makes two nights, so I guess Jesus lied about being in the earth for three days and three nights.

[Ben Kenobi]

how was Jesus inside the earth for three days and three nights?

This is why john says,"the Jews didn't want crucifixions to last through to the sabbath."

He died on Friday afternoon at about 3pm.

He didn't resurrect until the Sunday morning. Jews count the days starting from nightfall, not midnight.

So you have Friday afternoon, day 1.

Friday evening, Saturday morning and afternoon, day 2

Saturday evening, Sunday morning, day 3.

[MOBIUS]

At this thread! At least it's keeping you all out of trouble...

[Nikolai]

edit2: how was Jesus inside the earth for three days and three nights?

He died on friday, rose on sunday. Jews count the days differently than us, as did many other people of the day. So friday - saturday - sunday = three days.