In the Name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful

[Riesstiu IV]

The imperialism of Japan, the killing fileds of Cambodia, the folly of the Cultural revolution, the barbarity and brutality of the Mongol conquests... all products of the Yellow man.

The Rwandan genocide, the conquests of Shaka Zulu, the slaughter of babies during the Haitan revolution, selling millions of countrymen to foreign Arab, Chinese and European slave traders... all products of the Black man.


Everyone has dirt on them. And anyone who has less (you can only pin boring canibalism and sexual abuse on Aboriginies for example instead of evil on a mass scale) simply hasn't had the opportunity to do great things.

All people ARE devils.

You make some good points brother Heraclitus but some bad ones as well.

A lot of these things are products of the white man.

Japanese Imperialism would not have happened with the mass industrialization and devil war technology provided by the white man. Cambodia, Cultural Revolution was a result of COMMUNISM, a white man's doctrine that preaches against humanity and morality of faith.

Shaka Zulu was not a butcher but a great man who sought to drive out European invaders.

[Berzerker]

so muslims worship the sumerian moon god, not impressed

[Dinner]

Religion is poison.

[MRT144]

White people ARE devils. World War I, World War II, the holocaust... all products of the white man.

Black people just enabled us. Enabler!

[MRT144]

Religion is poison.

Except mine. Pint of beer gets you into heaven.

[ricketyclik]

Wouldn't Jesus have been Palestinian?

[Dinner]

No, Palestinians didn't exist. Jesus was a Jew. Telling a red neck results in massive denials just like telling an Islamist results in retarded claims that Jesus was really an Islamist even though he predated Islam by 700 years. Both the fundie Christians and the fundie Islamists want to pretend Jesus was part of their religion even though neither religion existed in Jesus's time. The reality is Arabic Palestinian culture didn't exist until after the Arabic military expansion of the 7th to 8th century. At the time of Jesus Israel was Jewish and Aramaic speaking, the language of Assyrians, with educated people speaking Greek or Latin though some remote parts did speak a proto-Hebrew.

[ricketyclik]

Such a region of flux!

[Dinner]

When you get down to it modern Christianity is just a break away Jewish sect founded based upon myths and lies told by Paul and a few other disciples decades after Jesus died and all of it was highly selectively edited for their personal power. Hell, four centuries after Jesus died the Bible was only then codified and even then Romans decided what was in and what was out based upon what they personally thought was useful to them. Don't even get me started on Islam because it is one of the worst examples of a cult gone wild.

[Dinner]

Christianity was one of a couple dozen eastern mystery cults which swept the Roman Empire in its later years. All of them promised hidden knowledge of god or the gods and all of them claimed to be the exclusive speakers for god/gods. Christianity was just the won which happened to become politically correct and so gained powerful adherents. Once the Emperor converted converting was a way to insure power and influence at the court.

[Jon Miller]

The claim that Christianity was just an eastern mystery cult is easily shown to be false.

It wasn't at all similar to the eastern mystery cults, excluding the gnostics, which is a strong reason why to consider the gnostics as not being the true Christianity but rather a mix of Christianity with eastern mystery cults.

To claim that that is the original and correction Christianity is obviously false, as Paulian Christianity (which isn't similar to eastern mystery cults) existed in the first century AD.

You say that it wasn't codified and was heavily edited, but we have fragments from what was considered the correct gospels from early 2nd century AD, and they are the same gospels which were included in the New Testament. And even people from the 1st century AD reference them!

The Romans didn't pick what was in the Bible, what was considered true and correct was identified by Christians shortly after they were written. As is your claim that Paul was lying is baseless.

JM

[Dinner]

There is no "original and correct Christianity" as exemplified that it took almost 500 years to codify Christianity and even then only because the Roman state found it useful. There were literally dozens of quasi-Christian quasi-Jewish sects mixed with stupid eastern mystery cult beliefs all co-existing for the first 400-500 years after Christ. Half of what we know call Christian beliefs were just consensus eastern mystery cult beliefs mixed with pagan rituals and a smattering of Jewish teachings and a smattering of proported preachings of Jesus picked hundreds of years after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

the first Council of Nicea was the first attempt to make a Bible and even then it was modified several times based upon what Roman rulers found to be useful or counter productive. The history of Christianity, like all religions, shows it was just another cult but one which gained influence due to it having a few powerful adherents. People made this **** up and virtually none of it has any historical basis.

[Dinner]

Jon Miller is a post editing bastard.

[Jon Miller]

To reiterate, the baseless position that Christianity was an eastern mystery cult is based on this timeline:

~30 AD Christ existed.
~60 AD Mystery cult ongoing.
~70 AD Hijack by Paul/etc.
~300 AD Roman leadership has converted, picking of books happens, etc.

What we have evidence for:
~30 AD Christ existed.
~60 AD Paul is active preaching, heavily influences the Christians outside of Israel.
~100 AD Christian leadership references books which would later be included in the NT as the correct books. (non-biblical reference)
~100 AD Lots of different ideas exist, including groups that weren't supported by the Christian leadership. (non-biblical reference)
~150 AD Books from these side groups exist, are similar to eastern mystery cults.
~300 AD Romans convert. Secular/Christian leadership uses new power against 'heretics'.

Just because secular power was used wrongly by the Christians, doesn't mean that the 'heretics' were the secret 'true' Christianity.

JM

[Jon Miller]

There is no "original and correct Christianity" as exemplified that it took almost 500 years to codify Christianity and even then only because the Roman state found it useful. There were literally dozens of quasi-Christian quasi-Jewish sects mixed with stupid eastern mystery cult beliefs all co-existing for the first 400-500 years after Christ. Half of what we know call Christian beliefs were just consensus eastern mystery cult beliefs mixed with pagan rituals and a smattering of Jewish teachings and a smattering of proported preachings of Jesus picked hundreds of years after his death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

the first Council of Nicea was the first attempt to make a Bible and even then it was modified several times based upon what Roman rulers found to be useful or counter productive. The history of Christianity, like all religions, shows it was just another cult but one which gained influence due to it having a few powerful adherents. People made this **** up and virtually none of it has any historical basis.

The gospels included in the Bible by the council of Nicea are the same ones referenced by Christians (from outside the Bible sources) as being correct in ~100 AD. Other books, the ones by Paul, also were from Christianity as practiced in ~60 AD.

There is no evidence that the eastern mystery cult like versions of Christianity were the Christianity of the apostles or the disciples of Christ. While Paulian Christianity, the Christianity that most follow now (and in the past), had disciples of Christ in it. This we have from non-biblical sources from ~100 AD.

Your timeline and inferences aren't reasonable.

The gospels and that Paulian Christianity was correct was agreed (and the same, because they has the same source) upon by all major churches well before Roman involvement. We have historical evidence of this (outside of the Bible).

The fact that some issues of theology weren't agreed upon is a different matter, and not fundamental to Paulian Christianity. You have some of these same issues as being different among denominations now (and all major denominations are Paulian, I think, not 100% sure of the JW and Mormons). Gnosticism on the other hand is fundamentally not Paulian Christianity. The quasi-jewish/Christian/mystery sects were not part of Paulian Christianity. It was a mix, just like you can find among new age/etc groups today.

You need to quit getting your knowledge of Christianity from Dan Brown. Paulian Christianity was the leading Christianity followed in the first centuries before Roman involvement.

JM