Australia: Nanny State again

[Asher]

What, too soon?

[Ecofarm]

Because you defend images of child sexual abuse for entertainment.

[a.kitman]

If we catch them we can hit them a little harder.

so raise the penalty for child porn then. this wont catch any peddos and it was never ment to either. the goal is to annoy people that like legal porn. or get them charged for bogus ****, ie you didnt tell the customs you hade porn on your comp.

[giblets]

Asher, I can't believe you would use a rational, consistent framework for deciding if things should be illegal instead of going with your gut and creating ad hoc excuses.

[Asher]

Because you defend images of child sexual abuse used for entertainment.

No, I don't. Child pornography is reprehensible and very much illegal, and rightfully so.

I am defending the right for people to draw whatever pictures they want. Whether they be the Prophet Mohammed, whether they be Republican Scat Fetish, or whether they be children. There's no victim in drawing things.

Disclaimer: If someone forced a child to pose for drawn pictures, that would constitute child pornography.

[Ecofarm]

I didn't say child pornography.

I said images of child sexual abuse used for entertainment.


Are you going to deny that they are portrayals of child sexual abuse?

[Asher]

I didn't say child pornography.

I said images of child sexual abuse used for entertainment.

Your phrasing is deliberately ambiguous and I called you on it.

Are you going to deny that they are portrayals of child sexual abuse?

They are fictional portrayals of child sexual abuse, they are not child sexual abuse.

[Krill]

You guys ever known a pedophile? And I mean personally, known them in RL, and worked with them, hung out with them etc?

[Ecofarm]

Your phrasing is deliberately ambiguous and I called you on it.


They are fictional portrayals of child sexual abuse, they are not child sexual abuse.

I changed my phrasing at your request, as child pornography might be taken very specifically in some juristrictions.

You may note that, in most countries, child pronography includes CGIs; however, I conceded that the term was perhaps too narrow and chose another term, last page, at your request.

Don't give me sht for trying to accomodate your semantic arguments. I use the current term (images of child sexual abuse) to describe ANY image portraying child sexual abuse.

[Asher]

You guys ever known a pedophile? And I mean personally, known them in RL, and worked with them, hung out with them etc?

I met a Priest once.

[giblets]

I guess we should also ban Grand Theft Auto for depicting immoral acts for entertainment.

[Asher]

I changed my phrasing at your request, as child pornography might be taken very specifically in some jusistrictions.


You may note that, in most countries, child pronography includes CGIs; however, I conceded that the term was perhaps too narrow and chose another term last page at your request.

Don't give me sht for trying to accomodate your semantic arguments.

There's a massive distinction between "images of fictional portrayals of child sexual abuse" and "images of child sexual abuse".

[Asher]

I guess we should also ban Grand Theft Auto for depicting immoral acts for entertainment.

Australia has already done that. They've banned all games rated M for Mature, including GTA.

[Ecofarm]

Australia banned GTA specifically because of the hidden and graphic rape sequences.

I've not seen that they ban all M rated games.

[Asher]

Australia banned GTA because of the hidden rape sequences.

I've not seen that they ban all M rated games.

Then you haven't looked.

Technically they aren't "banned". Australia just made it illegal to sell "unclassified games", and then conveniently refused to create the classification equivalent to "M for mature" or "adults only" -- you can only get up to R17 or something.

Many games have to be specifically modified and gutted to be sold in Australia (eg, Left 4 Dead 2). It's an abhorrent nannystate and no lover of freedom can defend them.