At first I stood by and did nothing, but now I must declare war on 'Glee'

[Asher]

This is the original (ignore the spanish 10s at the beginning...it's to get around youtube's copyright removing tool):


Released 1991 on Achtung Baby.

[Al B. Sure!]

I found it... it's okay. Don't like Bono's voice.

And yeah, I remember the One commercials.

[Asher]

I found it... it's okay. Don't like Bono's voice.

The broken vocals in the song are why it has the impact it does on many people.

He used the same kind of trick on "In a Little While"...a song about a tired touring rock star not being there for his family. Was recorded at the end of the recording sessions when his voice was almost gone.



Joey Ramone famously listened to this song on his death bed, and it was the last song he ever heard.

[Al B. Sure!]

Maybe he's not a very good singer?

Who's Joey Ramone?

[Asher]

Maybe he's not a very good singer?

He's not, at least technically. You don't need to be to be a rock singer though. Sincerity goes a long way.

Rock n' roll is supposed to be gritty and dirty, not pitch perfect.

Who's Joey Ramone?

[Al B. Sure!]

He's not, at least technically. You don't need to be to be a rock singer though. Sincerity goes a long way.

Rock n' roll is supposed to be gritty and dirty, not pitch perfect.

Yes because RnB singers can actually sing. At least Bono is better than the punk rockers who just scream and shout.

And okay. Joey Ramone is from a punk band and was a 'countercultural' icon. Why is that funny?

Singles

* "I Got You Babe" - (1982) (A duet with Holly Beth Vincent)
* "What a Wonderful World" - (2002)

Not a very successful guy eh? And looks like both are covers. Punk rock version of What a Wonderful World that has got to be the ****tiest most bizarre song ever.

[Asher]

Yes because RnB singers can actually sing. At least Bono is better than the punk rockers who just scream and shout.

They don't even need to actually sing any more thanks to computers.

And I actually don't like pitch-perfect voices much. They're usually vocally trained so the voices are controlled and steady (or if they're not steady, they're doing the ****ing-annoying runs R&B people are famous for that drive me up the wall).

I like honest music, songs from the heart and soul. That's what music should be. When it becomes a platform for people to show off how awesome their trained vocals are, they become empty and hollow. Even if it's a song full of meaning, how can they have perfect pitch?

Humans are imperfect, so too should be their music.

And okay. Joey Ramone is from a punk band and was a 'countercultural' icon. Why is that funny?

It's funny you don't know who he is.

[Al B. Sure!]

It's funny you don't know who he is.

Am I missing something? He only has two singles and they're not even really his songs.

Wow that version of What a Wonderful World was strange. Funny when it first came on, felt like it ruptured my eardrums for a second there.

[Asher]

Not a very successful guy eh? And looks like both are covers. Punk rock version of What a Wonderful World that has got to be the ****tiest most bizarre song ever.

He was part of The Ramones... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramones

And you've no idea how influential he was, apparently. As I was saying, record sales do not necessarily indicate how influential someone is musically.

[Asher]

Am I missing something? He only has two singles and they're not even really his songs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramones

It's a huge wiki article for a reason.

Summary:

The Ramones were an American rock band that formed in Forest Hills, Queens, New York in 1974 and are often cited as the first punk rock group.[1][2] Despite achieving only limited commercial success, the band was a major influence on the punk rock movement both in the United States and the United Kingdom.

They were the punk rock originators/pioneers and influenced many acts of the 80s which influenced many acts of the 90s which influenced many, many acts of today.

The Ramones had a broad and lasting influence on the development of popular music. Music historian Jon Savage writes of their debut album that "it remains one of the few records that changed pop forever."[78] As described by Allmusic critic Stephen Thomas Erlewine, "The band's first four albums set the blueprint for punk, especially American punk and hardcore, for the next two decades."[79] Trouser Press's Robbins and Isler similarly write that the Ramones "not only spearheaded the original new wave/punk movement, but also drew the blueprint for subsequent hardcore punk bands".[70] Punk journalist Phil Strongman writes, "In purely musical terms, The Ramones, in attempting to re-create the excitement of pre-Dolby rock, were to cast a huge shadow—they had fused a blueprint for much of the indie future."[21] Writing for Slate in 2001, Douglas Wolk described the Ramones as "easily the most influential group of the last 30 years."[80]

[Al B. Sure!]

Oh. Apparently those two songs were from his solo career. Okay.

Who is Douglas Wolk and why would I care about such an outlandishly wrong statement? Judging from the rest of that paragraph, all they influenced was punk rock. I don't consider punk rock to even be music. It's just screaming unintelligible lyrics and loud and abrasive instrumental music.

[Asher]

Oh. Apparently those two songs were from his solo career. Okay.

Who is Douglas Wolk and why would I care about such an outlandishly wrong statement? Judging from the rest of that paragraph, all they influenced was punk rock. I don't consider punk rock to even be music. It's just screaming unintelligible lyrics and loud and abrasive instrumental music.

I don't think you understand the impact punk rock had on much of music today.

And you laughed at the fact that there was a university course on this. This is pretty much what the "Rock Music in the 80s" course was about. I was astonished how much of what became popular in the 80s, 90s, and today could be traced back to the punk music of the late 70s/early 80s. It was more than just thrashy vocals. It's things you don't even think about now.

Even popular bands like The Killers and Coldplay were tremendously influenced by punk music.

It's obviously something you're not too familiar with, being a hater of white music.

[Asher]

Punk -> New Wave (eg, Blondie, synth-rock of the 80s) -> The Killers
Punk -> Post-Punk (Echo & the Bunnymen, My Bloody Valentine) -> Coldplay

Just to fill in some blanks from the prior statement I made

Going to bed now, but if you're serious I'd like to talk more about how punk rock influenced modern music. It's an interesting subject.

Edit: U2 is post-punk/rock also.

If you are wondering what post-punk is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-punk

Post-punk is a rock music movement with its roots in the late 1970s, following on the heels of the initial punk rock explosion of the mid-1970s. The genre retains its roots in the punk movement but is more introverted, complex and experimental.[1] Post-punk laid the groundwork for alternative rock by broadening the range of punk and underground music, incorporating elements of Krautrock (particularly the use of synthesizers and extensive repetition), Jamaican dub music (specifically in bass guitar), American funk, studio experimentation, and even punk's traditional polar opposite, disco, into the genre.

It found a firm place in the 1980s indie scene, and led to the development of genres such as gothic rock, industrial music and alternative rock.

and alt rock: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_rock

Alternative rock (also called alternative music, alt-rock or simply alternative) is a genre of rock music that emerged in the 1980s and became widely popular in the 1990s. Alternative rock consists of various subgenres that have emerged from the independent music scene since the 1980s, such as grunge, Britpop, gothic rock, and indie pop. These genres are unified by their collective debt to the style and/or ethos of punk rock, which laid the groundwork for alternative music in the 1970s.[1] At times alternative rock has been used as a catch-all phrase for rock music from underground artists in the 1980s, and all music descended from punk rock (including punk itself, New Wave, and post-punk).

While a few artists like R.E.M. and The Cure achieved commercial success and mainstream critical recognition, many alternative rock artists during the 1980s were cult acts that recorded on independent labels and received their exposure through college radio airplay and word-of-mouth. With the breakthrough of Nirvana and the popularity of the grunge and Britpop movements in the 1990s, alternative rock entered the musical mainstream in the Anglosphere and Western Europe[citation needed] and many alternative bands became commercially successful.

[ZEE]

there are too many words in this thrade

[C0ckney]

the level of musical understanding on show in this thread makes me want to cry.

to sum up, asher is basically right (although i disgaree with a lot of smalls things in what he says), and albert is complete ignoramous. also, whoever posted those 'post punk revival' and 'alternative rock' list of bands needs a good slap and a musical education.