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    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court will decide whether free speech rights are more important than helping parents keep violent material away from children.

    The justices agreed Monday to consider reinstating California's ban on the sale or rental of violent video games to minors, a law the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco threw out last year on grounds that it violated minors' constitutional rights.

    California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who signed the law in 2005, said he was pleased the high court would review the appeals court decision. He said, ''We have a responsibility to our kids and our communities to protect against the effects of games that depict ultra-violent actions, just as we already do with movies.''

    However, the judge who wrote the decision overturning the law said at the time that there was no research showing a connection between violent video games and psychological harm to young people.

    The Supreme Court's decision to hear the case comes only a week after the high court voted overwhelmingly to strike down a federal law banning videos showing animal cruelty. The California case poses similar free speech concerns, although the state law is aimed at protecting children, raising an additional issue.

    California's law would have prohibited the sale or rental of violent games -- those that include ''killing, maiming, dismembering or sexually assaulting an image of a human being'' -- to anyone under 18. It also would have created strict labeling requirements for video game manufacturers. Retailers who violated the act could have been fined up to $1,000 for each violation.

    Lawyer Stephen S. Smith, who has represented several video game companies in court, said the Supreme Court may use this case to explain how far lawmakers can go when trying to regulate depictions of violence.

    ''There is a fair amount of First Amendment law in the area of sexual explicitness and obscenity,'' he said. ''But there is not nearly as much law on the issue of violence and what may be restricted or not under the First Amendment in that arena.''

    The California law never took effect, and was challenged shortly after it was signed by Schwarzenegger. A U.S. District Court blocked it after the industry sued the state, citing constitutional concerns.

    Opponents of the law note that video games already are labeled with a rating system that lets parents decide what games their children can purchase and play. They also argue that video games -- which the Entertainment Software Association says are played in 68 percent of American households -- are protected forms of expression under the First Amendment to the Constitution.

    But supporters of the law note that the Supreme Court has upheld laws keeping minors from buying or having access to pornography, alcohol and tobacco. And the California law does not ban parents from purchasing or buying the video games for their children.

    Michael D. Gallagher, president of the Entertainment Software Association, said video games should get the same First Amendment protections as the court reaffirmed last week for videos.

    Given last week's ruling on videos showing animal cruelty, ''we are hopeful that the court will reject California's invitation to break from these settled principles by treating depictions of violence, especially those in creative works, as unprotected by the First Amendment,'' he said.

    Leland Yee, the California state senator who wrote the video game ban, said the Supreme Court obviously doesn't think the animal cruelty video ban and the violent video game ban are comparable. If the justices thought that, he said, they would not be reviewing the 9th Circuit's decision to throw out the video game ban.

    ''Clearly, the justices want to look specifically at our narrowly tailored law that simply limits sales of ultra-violent games to kids without prohibiting speech,'' said Yee, a San Francisco Democrat.

    California lawmakers approved the law, in part, by relying on several studies suggesting violent games can be linked to aggression, anti-social behavior and desensitization to violence in children. But federal judges have dismissed that research.

    ''None of the research establishes or suggests a causal link between minors playing violent video games and actual psychological or neurological harm, and inferences to that effect would not be reasonable,'' Judge Consuelo Callahan said in the 9th Circuit ruling.

    Callahan also said there were less restrictive ways to protect children from ''unquestionably violent'' video games.

    The supporters of the law say the same legal justifications for banning minors from accessing pornography can be applied to violent video games. They point to recent Federal Trade Commission studies suggesting that the video game industry's rating system was not effective in blocking minors from purchasing games designed for adults.

    But courts in other states have struck down similar laws.

    The video game industry also argues that approval of California's video game restrictions could open the door for states to limit minors' access to other material on the grounds of protecting children. ''The state, in essence, asks us to create a new category of nonprotected material based on its depiction of violence,'' Callahan wrote in the 30-page ruling.

    The court will hear arguments in this case in the fall.

    The case is Schwarzenegger v. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448.
    Sorry Schwarzy, but you lost my respect since Civ would evidently fall into "killing, maiming, dismembering or sexually assaulting an image of a human being".

    ATTENTION OERDIN. GTFO OF CALIFORNIA.
    "Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else." -- Frédéric Bastiat
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    ATTENTION OERDIN. STFI CALIFORNIA!
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      FPS.
      One day Canada will rule the world, and then we'll all be sorry.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
        ATTENTION OERDIN. STFI CALIFORNIA!
        I think it would be awesome if he moved to Texas and became your next door neighbor.
        "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
        "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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        • #5
          Sloww's probably better armed.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
          ){ :|:& };:

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          • #6
            Yeah, awesome.


            And yes, I imagine I'm better armed.
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #7
              How is this a problem? The parents can still get the games for their kids if they want their kids to have them.

              And my sister got her 6 yearold son with behavior issues GTA4.

              This is no different than laws saying selling porn to minors is illegal.

              Whether porn or violent video games should be illegal for minors to purchase is up to the voters. Or anything else.

              JM
              Jon Miller-
              I AM.CANADIAN
              GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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              • #8
                I actually agree with making it illegal for kids to purchase violent video games. Might make Halo more enjoyable.

                JM
                Jon Miller-
                I AM.CANADIAN
                GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.

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                • #9
                  Get them durn kids off of my lawn!
                  Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                  "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                  • #10
                    Woah. Go easy on the emphasis there. If every third sentence is bolded, what's the point?

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                    • #11
                      Overprotective parents, don't let their kids buy beer and serve in the army
                      Blah

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                        Woah. Go easy on the emphasis there. If every third sentence is bolded, what's the point?
                        Actually if the emphasis is no more than every word it still has a effect on the reader. Once it goes past that emphasis or alternative coloring has no effect and only reduces readability.
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • #13
                          There was this retired high-ranking US soldier (something-Colonel? I think he'd also been high ranking in the CIA) on the radio in Australia a few years ago who said that the US army used in-house 1st person shoot em up games to desensitize recruits against the act of killing, so that they wouldn't fall to pieces when they did during a battle. He said that a normal person, upon killing someone for the first time, will become temporarily incapacitated (I think he meant crumble into a blathering mess).

                          He said that they were being designed and used by the army before they were being made for the general public, but that they were pretty much identical.

                          I worry that we are raising a generation of people desensitised to the idea of killing people. The Colonel guy said that the only people who don't have that reaction without training are psycho-/sociopaths. Is that what we want to turn our kids in to?

                          Having said that, I can't really see how Civ falls into "killing, maiming, dismembering or sexually assaulting an image of a human being", as it's pretty abstract. I guess some of the battle scenes could be construed as such, but they're all 3rd person.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                            Sloww's probably better armed.
                            His heart condition no doubt prevents him from shooting straight. O the other hand I do not own a gun and have not felt the need to buy one. I honestly feel I've seen enough of guns.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                              I think it would be awesome if he moved to Texas and became your next door neighbor.
                              It could be the greatest sitcom EVAR!
                              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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