People who pursue a career which fulfills them personally...

[Kidlicious]

Why can you NOT accept that there is no end? Is it because you have so much invested in there being one to justify your religion?

I wouldn't use the word 'invest.' That makes it sound hard. Why do you insist that there is no end, because of your religious beliefs?

[BeBMan]

People can never act out of something else than self-interest....or can they???

[Ecofarm]

Ecofarm, why would we be launching from Pluto?

It's the next rock after Mars, and we gotta leave Mars ~0.5b years from now (guesstimation based on 2b radius exceeding the earth).

Pluto is a gift from elsewhere, and we're not going to waste it.

What happens after all the stars burn out?

It gets dark?

[Kidlicious]

Loving is independent of giving. You are one ****ed up sense of what a relationship is about.

A relationship is not about gift-giving and doing whatever the other people want all the time.

Good relationships are built by people who are true to themselves and love their partners. They're not built by people who think "giving" is the answer to a relationship. You may as well be buying love.

I'm not talking about buying love, that's commerce. I'm talking about loving someone and wanting them to be happy so you give them things and do things for them. Buying love IS SELFISH. Being in love is giving.

My interests come first for me. His interests come first for him. They frequently are the same -- both of us have interests in staying together.

He found and accepted a job on the other side of the country and moved there. That was selfish, right?

I've decided to follow and will be quitting my job to move out there with him in a couple months. But my reasons are selfish: I want to continue being in the relationship.

Are you in love or do you just want to be in a relationship with this particular person? Not trying to be rude, but you could have an unhealthy attraction to this person. You can have that kind of attraction and be selfish at the same time.

And that's an example of a functional relationship. If he wasn't selfish, he'd still be sitting around, unemployed in Toronto trying to make me happy because I'd already settled out here.

Again, functional relationship doesn't mean people love each other.

If you're in a relationship where all each person does is try to make the other one happy, you're both going to be miserable. As you found out.

It was more like I tried to make her happy and she got addicted to meth and did other things. She ****ed up. Now I'm not saying I did it right but it wasn't two people giving to each other unconditionally. It was just a bad deal.

Making your partner happy is always good, but don't sacrifice yourself to do it. They wouldn't want you to if you were truly in love.

How can you not sacrifice yourself? What if they are in the hospital or something and you have a golf game planned?

[Kidlicious]

It gets dark?

Don't forget cold.

[Ecofarm]

Cold Fusion can handle both of those conditions.

[Kidlicious]

Cold Fusion can handle both of those conditions.

Yeah, or God.

[Asher]

I'm not talking about buying love, that's commerce. I'm talking about loving someone and wanting them to be happy so you give them things and do things for them. Buying love IS SELFISH. Being in love is giving.

I'm somewhat alarmed by your extremism. Putting yourself first doesn't mean you don't want others to be happy. Doesn't mean you can't "give things to them" or do things for them. Of course that happens in a successful relationship.

Are you in love or do you just want to be in a relationship with this particular person? Not trying to be rude, but you could have an unhealthy attraction to this person. You can have that kind of attraction and be selfish at the same time.

Yes, I love this person. I'm ****ing baffled why you'd even suggest an "unhealthy attraction" -- what is your problem?

Again, functional relationship doesn't mean people love each other.

Oh, Kid...

How can you not sacrifice yourself? What if they are in the hospital or something and you have a golf game planned?

God, you are ****ing dense.

I would go to the hospital because I love them. I don't consider missing a ****ing golf game to be "sacrificing myself". Relationships are about compromise also (I ranted about this a few weeks ago), which also isn't "sacrificing myself".

The problem here is simple...you've no idea what I'm talking about. I'm not saying people are selfish in that the ONLY THING THEY CARE ABOUT IS THEMSELVES. Obviously such a person cannot be in a successful relationship. But the opposite is also true: IF ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS MAKING SOMEONE ELSE HAPPY, that is not a healthy relationship. You need more self-worth, self-respect, and a desire to make yourself happy, too.

I've seen a lot of relationships deteriorate rapidly because both people just focused on making eachother happy. Which never works, because they both end up being unhappy in their quests to make eachother happy.

I do try to make my partner happy, but there are lines and limits. At some point my own happiness factors in to. Yes, that's selfish, but it's actually the most healthy thing to do.

[KrazyHorse]

You guys are both ****ing morons.

[Asher]

You are the one living in NYC.

[MikeH]

KH is intelligent, he just has no common sense.

[Felch]

I make nine bucks an hour lifeguarding an empty pool and smoking weed with my supervisors. Beat that.

[MRT144]

You are the one living in NYC.

KH believes love is only true in a Pimp-Ho situation.

[KrazyHorse]

You are the one living in NYC.

Was aimed at kiddy and ecofarm

[Asher]

Well then.