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  • #76
    How the Democrats can avoid a November bloodbath

    Media reports suggest that President Obama is turning his attention toward the midterm congressional elections. There are a few things it is imperative he understand if he is to, at the least, minimize Democratic losses in November.

    We are Democratic pollsters who argued against the health-care legislation ["Democrats' blind ambition," Washington Forum, March 12] that the Obama administration chose to pursue. Instead, we advocated incremental health-care reform. With the passage of health reform, some harsh political realities have emerged.

    Recent polling shows that despite lofty predictions that a broad-based Democratic constituency would be activated by the bill's passage, the bill has been an incontrovertible disaster.
    The most recent Rasmussen Reports poll, released on April 12, shows that 58 percent of the electorate supports a repeal of the health-care reform bill -- up from 54 percent two weeks earlier. Fueling this backlash is concern that health-care reform will drive up health costs and expand the role of government, and the belief that passage was achieved by fundamentally anti-democratic means. Already we are seeing the implications play out with the retirement of Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) -- who had effectively become the face of the last-minute, closed-door negotiations that resulted in passage.

    Put simply, there has been no bounce, for the president or his party, from passing health care.

    In fact, Monday's Gallup report showed the president's weekly job approval rating at a low of 47 percent. And as the Democratic Party's favorability has dropped to 41 percent -- the lowest in Gallup's 18-year history of measuring it -- this week's Rasmussen Reports survey shows the Republican Party with a nine-point lead in the generic congressional vote. Moreover, independents, who are more energized than Democrats, are leaning Republican by a 2-to-1 margin.

    What all this means is that Republicans are ripe to pick up major gains in both chambers this November.

    To turn a corner, Democrats need to start embracing an agenda that speaks to the broad concerns of the American electorate. It should be somewhat familiar: It is the agenda that is driving the Tea Party movement and one that has the capacity to motivate a broadly based segment of the electorate.

    To be sure, great efforts have been made recently to demonize the Tea Party movement. But polling suggests that the Tea Party movement has not been diminished but, in fact, has grown stronger. The Winston Group found, in three national surveys conducted from December through February and published April 1, that the Tea Party movement is composed of a broad cross-section of the American people -- 40 to 50 percent of its supporters are non-Republicans. Indeed, one-third of self-identified Democrats say they support the Tea Party movement.

    The electorate's dissatisfaction with the established political order has led the Tea Party movement to become as potent a force as any U.S. political party.

    Last week, a Rasmussen Reports survey showed that overall more Americans say that they agree with the Tea Party movement on major issues than with the president of the United States -- 48 percent with the Tea Party and 44 percent with Obama. Among independents, 50 percent said that they're closer to the Tea Party, while only 38 percent are with Obama.

    Moreover, the most recent Gallup poll shows that the Tea Party movement is at least as popular as the Democratic Party. And the Tea Party movement stands for fiscal discipline, limited government and balancing the budget -- an agenda that has broad public support extending well beyond the movement. Polling conducted by one of us (Schoen) found that 55 percent of respondents endorse that agenda. More important, a solid majority of swing voters endorse it.

    The swing voters, who are key to the fate of the Democratic Party, care most about three things: reigniting the economy, reducing the deficit and creating jobs.



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    • #77
      Nobody smart is expecting a lift from the health care passage until some benefits from it show up on peoples doorstep. And we've already determined that 25-50% of the American public is retarded, nothing new there.

      Basically Dems can avoid losses by getting the economy running and providing jobs. If Joe Moron didn't mind the deficit the last 25 years, he won't care the next few as long as he's getting paid.

      Otherwise they have to be able to successfully point to the Repugs as being unwilling to govern. Under the circumstances, that should've been easy.
      I'm consitently stupid- Japher
      I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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      • #78
        Its hard for the truth to get out when the lies are shouted so loudly and incessantly.
        "I predict your ignore will rival Ben's" - Ecofarm
        ^ The Poly equivalent of:
        "I hope you can see this 'cause I'm [flipping you off] as hard as I can" - Ignignokt the Mooninite

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        • #79
          So say truthers everywhere.
          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Theben View Post
            Nobody smart is expecting a lift from the health care passage...
            Then what was the nonsense arguement about having to pass this bill right now about?
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #81
              So the damage would be early and DC and/or lift could occur around election time.
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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              • #82
                God forbid congressmen go home and find out that they'll be ****ed come november should they vote for it.


                Actually I never understood that part of the strategy. Presumably congressmen have internet and can find out anyway....and they still voted for it....
                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                ){ :|:& };:

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                • #83
                  The closest thing the Tea Party has to spokesmen are Palin and Michele Bachmann. If the TP becomes a real movement with them at the helm, I will support passage of a bill to nuke America from orbit.
                  I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                  I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Theben View Post
                    So the damage would be early and DC and/or lift could occur around election time.
                    Except it won't happen. This doesn't come online for years.
                    Edit:
                    lift could occur around election time.
                    Nobody smart is expecting a lift from the health care passage ...
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Theben View Post
                      The closest thing the Tea Party has to spokesmen are Palin and Michele Bachmann. If the TP becomes a real movement with them at the helm, I will support passage of a bill to nuke America from orbit.
                      And somehow you will have found a way to support a bill that makes even LESS sense than HCR.
                      If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Actually I never understood that part of the strategy. Presumably congressmen have internet and can find out anyway....and they still voted for it....
                        Because they knew that they'd get hounded either way. Pelosi told them it'd be better to have something concrete to point to than nothing at all, plus a victory for the GOP. That much was truth.
                        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                          Except it won't happen. This doesn't come online for years.
                          Parts of it will (theoretically) activate in a couple of months.
                          I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                          I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Theben View Post
                            Because they knew that they'd get hounded either way. Pelosi told them it'd be better to have something concrete to point to than nothing at all, plus a victory for the GOP. That much was truth.
                            And how could they actually admit the republicans are right about something?

                            And why do you keep calling them repugs? Jesus, talk about adolescent
                            If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
                            ){ :|:& };:

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                            • #89
                              1) Politics is all about denying the other side. As it is, I don't recall GOPers supporting bills that they initially considered sensible when it came to a vote

                              2) If you're that thin-skinned, you may wish to relocate to weplayciv.com or civfanatics. Adolescent behavior is expected and encouraged here
                              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                              • #90
                                You didn't offend me, I'm commenting on YOUR maturity
                                If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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