Republicans and Family Values

[Ben Kenobi]

Why?

Because they oppose killing babies.

[giblets]

Umm a fetus isn't a baby. And how does abortion hurt families?

[Elok]

...aaaaand it's an abortion argument now. Yay.

[Ben Kenobi]

Excellent.

[Ben Kenobi]

Umm a fetus isn't a baby.

Ok, then what is it if it's not a baby?

And how does abortion hurt families?

Well, damn. I would think killing off family members might be detrimental to the well-being of the family, but that's just me.

[giblets]

Ok, then what is it if it's not a baby?



Well, damn. I would think killing off family members might be detrimental to the well-being of the family, but that's just me.

A fetus is a fetus. I don't see why it necessarily has to be anything else. And since your argument seems to be based on a definition of personhood and I don't want to argue over what a person is I'm going to abort this debate.

Anyway, if abortion is the only reason you have for saying Republicans are superior in the area of family values I think your argument is pretty weak. Personally I think making sure poor families can get health care is good for families. Expanding medicaid

[Ben Kenobi]

A fetus is a fetus. I don't see why it necessarily has to be anything else.

Is it human? Or is it a cat fetus, or a dog fetus, or a pig fetus. Fetus is simply a term corresponding to a specific age. It would be no different then saying that an infant is not a baby.

since your argument seems to be based on a definition of personhood and I don't want to argue over what a person is I'm going to abort this debate.

That would be damned inconvenient, no?

Anyway, if abortion is the only reason you have for saying Republicans are superior in the area of family values

Well lets put it this way. There have been 40 million abortions done in the United States. My contention is that these unborn children are no different from born children.

This would mean that the Democrat party is complicit in the execution of over 40 million peoples. I'm sure some might make the offensive analogy to slavery, but I won't. I think abortion is worse than slavery in that a slave at least had a chance of escaping.

Personally I think making sure poor families can get health care is good for families.

Well I'm sure and good masters are the best caretakers of indigent slaves too.

[Elok]

And since your argument seems to be based on a definition of personhood and I don't want to argue over what a person is I'm going to abort this debate.

I give you about a one in five chance of making that stick. If you strike down his attempt to start a recycled debate now, he shall become more aggravating than you can possibly imagine.

[MrFun]

I didn't want this to be a ****ing debate thread anyway.

[giblets]

That would be damned inconvenient, no?

It would be a waste of time because your position is probably based on something that can't be proven like souls being created at conception or something. Ten pages later neither of us would think any differently than we do now. I have so many better uses of my time.

Well I'm sure and good masters are the best caretakers of indigent slaves too.

Oh but the working class Republicans who support tax cuts for the rich are in no way slavelike. It was nice talking to you. Goodbye.

[Guynemer]

...aaaaand it's an abortion argument now. Yay.

I give you about a one in five chance of making that stick. If you strike down his attempt to start a recycled debate now, he shall become more aggravating than you can possibly imagine.

You are one funny mother****er, Elok.

[Ben Kenobi]

It would be a waste of time because your position is probably based on something that can't be proven like souls being created at conception or something.

Actually no.

My position is based on 2 scientific principles and one philosophical principle.

1. We know that living things can only come from other living things. Abiogenesis does not occur.
We know that sperm and egg are both alive and that an infant is alive. Therefore the fetus must also be alive, because you have living/living/living, and not living/dead/living.

2. We know that like begets like. If we want to know the species we ask the identity of the parents. If a fetus has human parents, then we know we are dealing with a human fetus. Therefore the fetus is both alive and human.

The third question is that of personhood. Now, I'm going to rely on a controversial statement that all living human beings ought to be considered persons.

And that's all there is to it.

Oh but the working class Republicans who support tax cuts for the rich are in no way slavelike.

Indeed, because they were in gainful employment. Fast forward to the Age of Obama, where America has 10 percent unemployment instead of 4.

[self biased]

apolyton can thank me later.

[Solomwi]

Wait, then who the **** is the party of strippers and topless entertainment in general? Because that can overcome a lot of ideological disputes in my book. Besides, in my experience, strippers are very pro-family values. Despite my best efforts not a single stripper has ever let me cheat on my wife with her.

[self biased]

clearly you're not tipping them enough.