His mother is a douchebag...

[Heraclitus]

... she seems mostly annoyed at her kid botering her or not conforming to her ideas on how multiculturalism is supposed to work.


The kid however is such a whiner. Sure 3% is hard, but I went to a school that was just 20% my ethnicity. He needs to find the other Norwegian kids and stick to them, he'll start an outcast but its the only real way to keep safe then he needs to steer the group so they find any mixed kids that don't fit in as well (since the mixed kids who do in my experience from school try to outdoo their peers on mistreating the out group), he also needs to identify any other minorities that don't fit in. A skih, a hindu, a white Boshniak Muslim whatever. It was years before I realized that my good friend from primary school was in fact half black (It never registered I assumed he was a darker Albanian or Turk or something I just noticed he didn't fit in with the other immigrant kids for some reason and was so motivated to come to my group).






Anyway I can't see this kid growing up a well adjusted individual if his mother had any sense she should have enroled him in a school with a larger group of native Norwegians (where he could perhaps form a group in his own class). As it is he could be transfered to a school that's 100% Norwegian and he wouldn't be well adjusted since he's missed that part of socialization.


She talks about how she wanted him to "network" but how suprised she was that he didn't "network". Hello newsflash! Being a minority sucks monkey balls in every country in every period of history! Being a religious and visible minority sucks extra. Adults can manage to get along quite well but kids don't and won't ever bother hiding tribal instincts.

[OzzyKP]

Interesting. Then again, there are outcast kids in any school regardless of their ethnic makeup. I think the mom's intentions are noble, but things obviously aren't working out at this school/neighborhood and should have gone somewhere else for his sake.

White flight.

[GePap]

What are you talking about?

Tribal "instincts" are created, not innate. If he and other kids in his school have trouble socializing with kids from other ethnicities it has everything to do with stuff they pick up from parents or other adults - kids aren't stupid, they listen and they learn from us.

[Heraclitus]

Interesting. Then again, there are outcast kids in any school regardless of their ethnic makeup. I think the mom's intentions are noble, but things obviously aren't working out at this school/neighborhood and should have gone somewhere else for his sake.

White flight.

The mom should have been more pragmatical and realistic. The ideal mix for a school for a kid in a mulicultural society in my opinion is 90% majority 10% minority. People get treated and treat others as individuals rather than fragmenting into competing ethnicities on top of the popularity competitions.

[Heraclitus]

What are you talking about?

Tribal "instincts" are created, not innate. If he and other kids in his school have trouble socializing with kids from other ethnicities it has everything to do with stuff they pick up from parents or other adults - kids aren't stupid, they listen and they learn from us.

What are you talking about? Kids are uberconformists. If no one is wearing glasses they'll pick on the kid wearing glasses. Sure he can get along just fine but this is despite him having glasses/being corsseyed/being black/nonmuslim or whatever.


If the split is closer to 50% vs. 50% rather than 95% vs. 5% you start seeing "gangs" splitting up along ethnic lines.

[GePap]

What are you talking about? Kids are uberconformists. If no one is wearing glasses they'll pick on the kid wearing glasses. Sure he can get along just fine but this is despite him having glasses/being corsseyed/being black/nonmuslim or whatever.

Kids pick out differences yes, but they need adults to explain those differences. Kids pick on kids with glasses because they have been told that wearing glasses means someone has defective eyesight, and since humans are always sorting themselves out in status, someone who is small, thin, fat, or has some other weakness will be picked on as kids jockey for position.But being small, or weak, or having glasses isn't "tribal", racial, or ethnicity based, which is what you alluded to. They need adults to "point out" that some kids who seems to have no defects might be "inferior" somehow because of other traits having nothing to do with individual qualities, but group characteristics.

[Heraclitus]

Kids pick out differences yes, but they need adults to explain those differences. Kids pick on kids with glasses because they have been told that wearing glasses means someone has defective eyesight, and since humans are always sorting themselves out in status, someone who is small, thin, fat, or has some other weakness will be picked on as kids jockey for position.But being small, or weak, or having glasses isn't "tribal", racial, or ethnicity based, which is what you alluded to. They need adults to "point out" that some kids who seems to have no defects might be "inferior" somehow because of other traits having nothing to do with individual qualities, but group characteristics.

I didn't say the kids think in tribal terms. I was describing their behaviour.

[GePap]

You specifically said tribal and more importantly, are talking here about people breaking up into ethnic groups (or racial if the big breakdown were racial, not ethnic, though in this case clearly the two are the same). And what I am saying is that kids will sort themselves out (because humans are all about creating hierarchies) but for that breakdown to be down ethnic or racial lines, the kids need to have learned that prejudice from their parents - which they do easily, since kids are always looking and listening to adults.

[Dr Strangelove]

If the district is only 45% immigrant then why is it that only 3% of the kids in this school are Norwegian? It sounds to me that most of the Norwegians in the district long ago abandoned the district's school system, probably before the district became 45% immigrant. This is no different than what happened in the US when desegregation became enforced back in the late 60's.

[Riesstiu IV]

Being a minority sucks monkey balls in every country in every period of history!

It worked out fine for me. This kid goes to a school full of arseholes.

[Dinner]

I expect it is very much a cultural thing.

[Dr Strangelove]

Muslims constitue less than 2% of Norways population, so how is it that in somke schools they constitute over 90% of the student population? It sounds to me like school district lines have been drawn to ensure that the muslim kids get sequestered away from the Norwegians. The question is, why? Unless Norway has a reason for doing this related to education - like these schools offer special opportunities for the muslim kids to catch up on language, etc, what Norway should do is redraw the district lines to distribute the muslim kids around. If Norway doesn't try to assimilate the immigrants they're going to wind up with a ghetto population.

[Dinner]

It's probably an economic thing. I.E. all the poor people get stuck in the same place.

[Ben Kenobi]

I doubt it has to do with Norwegians sequestering themselves.

I think the mom's intentions are noble

She's very naive. The Muslims do not want to associate with Norwegians, period. Multiculturalism presumes that both sides see things the same way which is a false assumption.

[SlowwHand]

I know what you mean. I get these wildass women from Greenland hitting on me, and I'm not interested in Greenland women.
It's my failing, I know; the fact remains...