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Originally posted by Boris Godunov View PostWhile this is true, that doesn't mean people living in civilized countries can't raise a stink about it. Do we really want to trod down the path of making this excuse for any atrocity a country might commit within its own borders?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola View PostMost Brits I have seen are so ugly that they should get 6 months for any public display of affection.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
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Originally posted by germanos View PostSource?Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
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Humans tend to be rational unless conditioned otherwise. Racism and xenophobia are irrational.
I can't believe you claim that Nazism is the natural state for humans. That's repugnant.Last edited by Ecofarm; March 17, 2010, 11:34.
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Originally posted by Ecofarm View PostHumans tend to be rational unless conditioned otherwise.
Check out this rationality site to see examples of just how ridiciusly wrong humans get it most of the time. If you are inclined to learn more about this I'd reconmend you check out a few of the top posts on Lesswrong to get a feel.
http://lesswrong.com/
Robin Hanson's Overcoming Bias site is also pretty ok.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2010/0...eggs-jobs.html
Originally posted by Ecofarm View PostRacism and xenophobia are irrational.
Originally posted by Ecofarm View Post
I can't believe you claim that Nazism is the natural state for humans. That's repugnant.
Heck Himmler of all people threw up and felt sick after seeing with his own eyes what went on in the camps even though he masterminded the whole thing, it wasn't reason that led his body to react so it was his instincts. Its "unnatural" to treat other humans no better than animals, it takes significant training or strong social rules to do that if one isn't a sociopat (only about 10% of the human population are on that spectrum).
When I said people are naturaly xenophobic I was talking about how numerus studies have confirmed subconcius biases in adults regardless of stated sentiments as well as biases in who babies & children see as more likley to be good. Adult's and children's biases can easily be explained as products of nurture but babies? When did they pick up Whitey is out to get you, black men are rapists and Mexicans are dirty criminals? Its a natural evolutionary response, if someone isn't part of your tribe or dosen't look like mommy or daddy he may be a threar untill shown otherwise. Also almost every traditional society on Earth has been xenophobic to a degree, and killing outsiders was not considered a meaningfull "crime" untill civilized times.
People subconciusly prefer people that look like them and dislike foreigners and need extensive training to offset this if they want to be neutral.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
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Originally posted by Ecofarm View PostHumans tend to be rational unless conditioned otherwise.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld
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Originally posted by Heraclitus View PostPeople subconciusly prefer people that look like them and dislike foreigners and need extensive training to offset this if they want to be neutral.
I reject that. The people in question have been 'conditioned' to fear anything different. Fear based on prejudice is not natural or rational. Basic ecologic, DNA or diversity based survival instinct dictates that compatible foreigners are a treasure. According to your reasoning, inbreeding or a reduction of genetic diversity is a natural status quo. Your logic is in opposition to all known natural science. If people, or the biosphere for that matter, were naturally inclined to monoculture... life itself would not exist.
You are fundamentally wrong; break your chains.Last edited by Ecofarm; March 17, 2010, 15:14.
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Originally posted by Ecofarm View PostI reject that. The people in question have been 'conditioned' to fear anything different. Fear based on prejudice is not natural or rational. Basic ecologic, DNA or diversity based survival instinct dictates that compatible foreigners are a treasure. According to your reasoning, inbreeding or a reduction of genetic diversity is a natural status quo. Your logic is in opposition to all known natural science. If people, or the biosphere for that matter, were naturally inclined to monoculture... life itself would not exist.
You are fundamentally wrong; break your chains.Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila
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Yeah, Heraclitus is right on this. Human beings instinctually fear "others" not of their particular "clan." This is why ethnic tribalism formed the basis of human society for so long and cultural melting pots are a relatively new phenomenon. The entire history of human civilization is a progression to less and less culturally biased and insular societies.
According to your reasoning, inbreeding or a reduction of genetic diversity is a natural status quo. Your logic is in opposition to all known natural science.Tutto nel mondo è burla
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said to have been touching each other and kissing passionately as they dined with friends in a beachfront restaurant
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To pretend that nature is inclined against diversity is retarded.
1. Don't act like a baby.
You don't need to tell me about kids being surprised and scared of new things. I've had infants and children as old as 3 or 4 react in panic upon seeing me, the first white person they remember seeing. That does not mean that people should act like babies their entire life.
2. Clans condition members against outsiders.
The idea that animals can show us the natural (or more specifically, un-socialized) state of individuals is absurd. Does anyone really think that there is no such thing as social capital and conditioning in animals that live in groups? Really? Social fkn animals are not effected by social conditioning? It's that kind of reasoning, so shallow, that pisses me off.Last edited by Ecofarm; March 18, 2010, 15:11.
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