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    This sounds like good news for consumers as I know from personal experience it is easy to run afoul of these overdraft charges especially since the balance the ATM says you have is often not the real balance. The bank knows exactly what your real balance is but will delay posting some debt or credit purchases for a couple of days just hoping someone looks at the ATM balance and and then buys that extra cup of coffee which puts them over so they can be hit with that $40 overdraft fee.

    Bank of America to End Debit Overdraft Fees
    By ANDREW MARTIN
    Published: March 9, 2010

    In a move that could bring an end to the $40 cup of coffee, Bank of America said on Tuesday that it was doing away with overdraft fees on purchases made with debit cards, a decision that could cost the bank tens of millions a year in revenue and put pressure on other banks to do the same.

    Bank officials said that effective this summer, customers who try to make purchases with their debit cards without enough money in their checking accounts will simply be declined. Debit purchases account for roughly 60 percent of overdrafts at Bank of America, the nation’s largest issuer of debit cards.

    Banks are bracing for a new federal rule that will require them to get permission from account holders before providing overdraft services for debit purchases and A.T.M. withdrawals. That change was already expected to wipe out billions of dollars in overdraft revenue for the banks.

    “What our customers kept telling me is ‘just don’t let me spend money that I don’t have,’ ” said Susan Faulkner, the bank’s deposit and card product executive, who said the overdraft changes were part of a broader push to build trust among its customers. “We wanted to help them avoid those unexpected overdraft fees.”

    The bank will continue to provide overdraft protection, for a fee, for checks and automatic payments, say to a biller that debits money from an account each month. Consumers who try to exceed their balance when making an A.T.M. withdrawal are already being notified that they will be charged a $35 overdraft fee if they choose to proceed.

    There has been considerable consumer and political outcry against overdraft fees on deposit accounts. Over the last decade, the fees have become a major source of revenue for banks as they realized they could make more money by covering consumer overdrafts, offering a short-term loan for a fee, than in denying them.

    Last year alone, banks generated about $20 billion from overdraft fees on debit purchases and A.T.M. transactions, and $12 billion more by covering checks and recurring bills, according to Moebs Services, an economic research firm.

    But as reports surfaced of customers incurring hundreds, even thousands, in overdraft fees, often for purchases of just a few dollars like a cup of coffee, regulators and lawmakers stepped in. As of July 1, the Federal Reserve will require that banks obtain a customer’s consent before they can charge them overdraft fees for A.T.M. transactions and debit purchases; many banks now automatically enroll customers.

    In anticipation of the new Fed rule, some banks have begun marketing campaigns to encourage their customers to opt in to overdraft protection to keep the dollars flowing.

    Several bills have been introduced in Congress that would go beyond the Fed’s rules on overdraft fees.

    Bank of America, by deciding to scrap overdraft charges on debit card purchases instead, is hoping to bolster its reputation with consumers at a time when anger at banks for their role in the financial crisis remains high.

    The bank’s overdraft policy will take effect on June 19 for new customers and in early August for existing ones. Overdraft protection will still be available, typically for a fee of $10, to customers who link their checking accounts to savings accounts or credit cards.

    Bank officials declined to say how much money the bank earned from overdraft fees, but anecdotal evidence suggests it had been a multibillion-dollar business for the bank.

    “Consumers have shown a willingness to incur overdrafts if it’s covering mortgage payments or car payments, but not to cover a hot dog and a soda,” said Greg McBride, senior financial analyst at Bankrate.com and one of a handful of analysts and consumer advocates briefed by Bank of America on its new policy. “They don’t want to incur overdrafts on everyday purchases.”

    Martin Eakes, chief executive for the Center for Responsible Lending, called Bank of America’s decision “a very big deal.”

    “If Bank of America can forgo the fee income and do the right thing by their customers, this should be seen as a direct challenge to the other big banks to match and do the same,” said Mr. Eakes, who serves on a Bank of America advisory council, an unpaid position.

    Of course, because of the new federal rule that requires customers to opt in to overdraft protection, all the big banks are anticipating a sharp drop in revenue once it goes into effect this summer.

    But Mr. Eakes said that because of Bank of America’s size, it might have still charged hundreds of millions of dollars in overdraft fees even if most of its 37 million debit customers in the United States dropped out of overdraft protection.

    Most major banks continue to charge overdraft fees on debit purchases, though some have modified their policies to appease critics. Citibank, for example, does not allow overdrafts for debit purchases or A.T.M. withdrawals.

    It was not known on Tuesday how other banks would react to the change in Bank of America’s overdraft policy.

    Told of the change late Tuesday, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase declined to comment. A spokeswoman for Wells Fargo said the bank was still working on its overdraft plan as it relates to the new federal rules and was not yet prepared to release the details.

    Banks are rethinking their policies on consumer products like credit cards, mortgages and debit cards to comply with new laws and regulations and the continued economic malaise. In the past, a relatively small number of customers generated such enormous fees from overdraft charges and penalties on credit cards that they subsidized free checking and generous rewards programs for the majority of customers.

    In the case of overdraft, 93 percent of the fees are generated by just 14 percent of the customers who exceed their balances five times or more a year, according to a 2008 study by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Three-quarters of customers are not charged overdraft fees at all, the study found.

    But the collapse in consumer credit, combined with new rules limiting banks’ ability to make money on credit cards and overdraft fees, has prompted banks to experiment with fees that reach a broader set of customers, like annual fees on credit cards and monthly fees on checking accounts.
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    Is it really that ****ing hard for Americans to keep up with how much money they have in thier account?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
      has prompted banks to experiment with fees that reach a broader set of customers, like annual fees on credit cards and monthly fees on checking accounts.

      So instead of just charging morons who can't add and subtract, they'll charge everyone.

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      • #4
        Why can't the point of sale machine just ask at the time of purchase? The bank decides if the amount requested is within the their overdraft limit for that account and if so, asks the POS to prompt the user to decide if they want to cancel or accept a fee of $x. Then they can still make money on fees and people can't ***** about not knowing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
          This sounds like good news for consumers as I know from personal experience it is easy to run afoul of these overdraft charges especially since the balance the ATM says you have is often not the real balance. The bank knows exactly what your real balance is but will delay posting some debt or credit purchases for a couple of days just hoping someone looks at the ATM balance and and then buys that extra cup of coffee which puts them over so they can be hit with that $40 overdraft fee.
          Its easy to run afoul of them if you are a complete idiot with no grasp of your financial resources. Seriously, are you that much of a consumer whore that you even come close to bottoming out you checking account?

          $40 is a bit excessive for a fee, but I see nothing wrong with the idea of charging a penalty for you putting the bank in the hook for funds they never agreed to provide you with. In the end the bank is doing you a favor by not denying the charge. But as was stated I guess we can all suffer for the stupidity of some.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by snrjefe View Post
            Why can't the point of sale machine just ask at the time of purchase? The bank decides if the amount requested is within the their overdraft limit for that account and if so, asks the POS to prompt the user to decide if they want to cancel or accept a fee of $x. Then they can still make money on fees and people can't ***** about not knowing.
            Because the main ABS and the carding system cannot have online synchronisation of the data due to the volumes involved. You use your card to withdraw some ccash, but the account balance will not get updated till the following day.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
              But as was stated I guess we can all suffer for the stupidity of some.
              Thanks Oerdin.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Patroklos View Post
                Its easy to run afoul of them if you are a complete idiot with no grasp of your financial resources. Seriously, are you that much of a consumer whore that you even come close to bottoming out you checking account?

                $40 is a bit excessive for a fee, but I see nothing wrong with the idea of charging a penalty for you putting the bank in the hook for funds they never agreed to provide you with. In the end the bank is doing you a favor by not denying the charge. But as was stated I guess we can all suffer for the stupidity of some.
                Actually, banks are quite good at manipulating the accounts of many of their poorer members in order to force overdraft fees. For middle to upper class, this isn't really a problem.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by onodera View Post
                  Because the main ABS and the carding system cannot have online synchronisation of the data due to the volumes involved. You use your card to withdraw some ccash, but the account balance will not get updated till the following day.

                  Apparently it will be possible soon. USA Today says BofA will 'deny' overdrafts, come June.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by snrjefe View Post
                    Why can't the point of sale machine just ask at the time of purchase? The bank decides if the amount requested is within the their overdraft limit for that account and if so, asks the POS to prompt the user to decide if they want to cancel or accept a fee of $x. Then they can still make money on fees and people can't ***** about not knowing.
                    Realistically this could easily be done but the bank wants those over draft charges so they intentionally don't do it. I mean, if they wanted to, the bank's ATM could also have a completely accurate account balance since even using a debt card as a credit card must be authorized so they know exactly how much in charges are pending. They don't do it on purpose because they make money do it just as they don't charge purchases in the order they are made and instead ring them up each day in the order which will occur the most over draft charges.

                    For instance. Let's say we have a balance of $20 and we charge $2, $1, $5, and $18. If the charges are rang up in the order they occurred then just one over draft charge would be applied but the bank will ring them up high to low so that it is $18, $5, $2, $1 so that three over draft fees are charged. Since each over draft is $40 that means the bank makes $120 in fees instead of the more logical and fair $40.
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                    • #11
                      Why do you so often pretend you are an expert in something when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about?
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                      • #12
                        But BofA is talking about ending them altogether. They are sacrificing a portion of the fees they could collect if they gave people the option to accept the fee. Sure, they likely wouldn't accept a $30 cup of coffee, but they would probably accept the fee for a weekly grocery run. I suppose it might be too expensive to force all the POS manufacturers and ABS to change their interface, but the mechanisms seem to be in place to give consumers a choice rather than one extreme or another.

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                        • #13
                          Pattycakes, Bull****. I know for a fact that banks will often do charges from high to low because it has been in multiple reports for years now. That you don't know this is happening exposes you as the intellectually lazy numbnut we've all known you to be.

                          Get out from under your rock and educate yourself.
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                          • #14
                            Personally, I don't understand why they would let you take out more then you have. Makes no sense to me.
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                            • #15
                              So they could charge you a whopping fee for doing so, duh. It's a money-making scheme for them. The revenues banks get from overdraft fees are quite considerable.
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