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[Ecofarm]

White pasta for me but white bread is retarded unless toasted with tomato, basil and fine olive oil.

[Dinner]

calories in - calories consumed = weight gained or lost.

What you eat has something to do with it, but it is much more a function of how much.

You're right but wither you feel full or not (say... From the fiber absorbing water and expanding in your stomach or from white flour which has no fiber and so doesn't really expand to make you feel full) has a lot to do with how much a person eats.

Health and whole grain consumption

In a 2002 study, consumption of whole grains was found to be associated with lower fasting insulin concentrations when compared to those associated with the consumption of refined grains. This effect as well as improved insulin sensitivity was noticeably more pronounced among obese and hyperinsulinemic subjects, suggesting whole grain consumption to be an important component of reducing risk factors for type II diabetes when only compared to the consumption of refined grains.[8] Consumption of wholegrains has also been consistently linked with a significant decrease in risk factors for cardiovascular disease. Regular wholegrain consumption lowers LDL and triglyceride levels, which contributes to an overall 26% reduction in coronary heart disease risk factors. In addition, wholegrain consumption is inversely related to hypertension, diabetes, and obesity when compared to refined grains, all of which are negative indicators in total cardiovascular health.[9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_grain

[Riesstiu IV]

calories in - calories consumed = weight gained or lost.

What you eat has something to do with it, but it is much more a function of how much.

Yeah but the problem is too many foods with refined sugars are essentially empty calories with little nutritional value and you can consume a lot it before you feel full. And that's how you add on the pounds.

Whereas previously, I might have to eat a huge portion of pasta in order to feel full, I can feel just as full eating a much smaller portion of vegetables or a piece of fruit.

And I'm actually spending a little less money on food.

[Drake Tungsten]

None of you are hitting on the key metric, which is caloric density. Riesstiu could eat exactly the same weight in vegetables and fruit as he used to eat in pasta and he would still be ingesting fewer calories due to the lower caloric density of vegetables and fruit.

[Ecofarm]

On fruit and veg alone, he would be skinny and probably lack protein, fat, amino acids and minerals (depending on variety). On starch alone he would be fat and badly malnourished. If course, the starch provides only calories not aminos, protein, minerals, vitamins etc. Starch is crap, ~1k calories of it a day is ok. One can do without it.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Organic 'has no health benefits'

New data: High-fructose corn syrup no worse than sugar

Both these articles are kind of crap IMO.

The first one contains this about halfway down and is the reason that I go organic when I can.

"The review did not look at pesticides or the environmental impact of different farming practices."

That worthless Government of ours has some meh data and studies on that, they say our food is safe, and banned all the "bad" pesticides.

http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/food/risks.htm

But I do agree that there are no gaps in nutritional value.

And the second article....LOL, you laid it out like sugar was good for you. People are fat because they eat too much of the wrong foods and do not exercise.

[Drake Tungsten]

The first one contains this about halfway down and is the reason that I go organic when I can.

So you eat organic food in order to support farming practices that would cause half the world's population to starve if they supplanted modern farming methods? Great reasoning, ****...

And the second article....LOL, you laid it out like sugar was good for you.

Sugar isn't bad for you, if consumed in moderation. Neither is HFCS, yet plenty of retards treat it like a poison.

[Riesstiu IV]

On fruit and veg alone, he would be skinny and probably lack protein, fat, amino acids and minerals (depending on variety). On starch alone he would be fat and badly malnourished. If course, the starch provides only calories not aminos, protein, minerals, vitamins etc. Starch is crap, ~1k calories of it a day is ok. One can do without it.

Well, I don't think I could ever stick to only fruit and veggies. I also eat meat (mostly chicken but also pork, beef, and fish) and eggs on a regular basis.

Also, is there any real nutritional difference between supermarket veggies and fruit and 'organic' veggies and fruit.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Drake, please don't take my comments as a personal attack, wasn't meant that way, you the man!

However, wiki (yeah, I know) disagrees you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_farming#Productivity_and_profitability

A 2006 study suggests that converted organic farms have lower pre-harvest yields than their conventional counterparts in developed countries (92%) and that organic farms have higher pre-harvest yields than their low-intensity counterparts in developing countries (132%). The researcher attributes this to a relative lack of expensive fertilizers and pesticides in the developing world compared to the intensive, subsidy-driven farming of the developed world. Nonetheless, the researcher purposely avoids making the claim that organic methods routinely outperform green-revolution (conventional) methods.[19] This study incorporated a 1990 review of 205 crop comparisons which found that organic crops had 91% of conventional yields.[20] A major US survey published in 2001, analyzed results from 150 growing seasons for various crops and concluded that organic yields were 95-100% of conventional yields.[21]

I don't see 50% there.....where do you get those numbers?

I eat a lot of produce and try to buy quality ingredients. I normally cook all my own food, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and avoid fast food. I thought I was being smart, but no, I'm retarded. Guess I should just pitch it all and eat fast food and 48" pizzas.

The American demographic eats way too much HFCS (and sugar). Since I look at lists of ingredients when I buy stuff, it is in everything. Really don't want it in my bread, but have trouble finding it without. My opinion, and I'm sure I'm in the minority, the food companies are HFCS nuts.

http://www.wikihow.com/Avoid-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup (I wiki )

LOL, need to stop before I accidentally delete this post again.

[Drake Tungsten]

I eat a lot of produce and try to buy quality ingredients. I normally cook all my own food, breakfast, lunch and dinner, and avoid fast food. I thought I was being smart, but no, I'm retarded.

Buying quality ingredients has **** all to do with buying organic.

Also, is there any real nutritional difference between supermarket veggies and fruit and 'organic' veggies and fruit.

No. Organic food does cost more and gives you a chance at contracting E. coli or some other foodborne illness, however.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Buying quality ingredients has **** all to do with buying organic.

True, but most times I buy regular stuff anyway since organic is costlier etc. Also it is another trip to go to the farmer's market.

No. Organic food does cost more and gives you a chance at contracting E. coli or some other foodborne illness, however.

Again where do you get your data on food borne illnesses?

Last time I checked E. coli outbreaks were more prevalent at mass producers.

http://www.huliq.com/3257/76406/peanut-butter-recall-2009-continues-escalate

http://www.about-ecoli.com/ecoli_outbreaks/view/jack-in-the-box-e-coli-outbreak/

http://www.inquisitr.com/24466/ground-beef-recall-issued-by-usda-over-e-coli-contamination/

I don't see how the farming method impacts the foods safety. Oh, never mind, I see that animal manure is the cause.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/Organic/fecal-contamination.cfm

It's like you don't know who to trust. The Chem companies will say chemical fertilizers are safer, the orgs will say that chemical fertilizers are bad. I'm more personally concerned about pesticides

[Dinner]

Also, is there any real nutritional difference between supermarket veggies and fruit and 'organic' veggies and fruit.

I think Science has conclusively proved that contention is wrong. In fact organic food is no better then traditional food.

[Dinner]

No. Organic food does cost more and gives you a chance at contracting E. coli or some other foodborne illness, however.

To be fair that is a 0.5% chance vs a 0.9% chance which isn't all that large. In fact the ogranic percentage shrinks to zero is composting is done correctly.

[MikeH]

I will give the organic business this though they brought back a lot of heirloom verities of fruits & veggies

Yeah, this is the best thing about organic, even though I suspect they only tend to grow them because they can't grow modern high yield crops without pesticides/fertilizer etc.

[Jon Miller]

The large amount of hormones that they stick into chicken/cows I think does have real impact in our bodies though, and shouldn't be ignored.

Let me know when there's some scientific evidence on this point. Until then, I'll continue eating cheaper and safer non-organic produce.

It's not my field, but a quick google suggests there is some scientific evidence.

For example:

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html

http://www.health101.org/art_Milk_and_Girls.htm

http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

JM