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Jesus, your position is retarded. I don't even want to finish reading that illogical tripe...
Like I said, just because you refuse to see the logic in it doesn't make the argument illogical. Which is why I said that there was no point in discussing it with you.
Your position is basically "I think the term "Oriental" is offensive, so it obviously must be the product of European ethnocentrism." This is completely retarded.
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Question, do you find the use of the term Occidental to be racially motivated?
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What exactly are you asking? If "art" is the definition of culture, then yes, there are things unique: the process for making celadon was different; less green, more bluish in most cases, but they did something with the glaze (I honestly don't remember what it's called, or what it is exactly, I'm sure the wikipedia could answer that). There are also things with how dragons are drawn (specifically the number of talons), and architectural points. If "language" is the definition, then yes, hangeul is one, as is the fact that it's completely unrelated to the the Sinitic languages; any similarities are merely because of the influence of China which created the East Asian sprachbund, no different than how Romanian has taken on many Slavic terms and characteristics even if it is a Romance language. If "food" is the definition, then yes, that too; Japanese tends to be less marinated, Chinese tends to have more sauce.
There is, however, a reason why you don't see much Korean art outside of East Asia, and a lot of that has to do with, well, the Japanese.
Art is probably the aspect I was curious about. The green guy on my avatar is easily recognized as a work of a Chinese craftsman, a flat decorated in a "Japanese" style can be identified by most people as one. Indian art with its multicoloured mustachioed men with big eyes as also something recognizable.
Koreans, on the other hand, do not have their art at the same level of popularity in the world. Most people won't be able to tell it's a work of art (even contemporary art) from Korea. Hangul, metal chopsticks and khimchi are probably the only things from Korea that are globally known.
Even you yourself identify specific traits of your art through comparison with Chinese and Japanese art.
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Question, do you find the use of the term Occidental to be racially motivated?
As I pointed out, it's almost never used in reference to people. When it is, it's unfortunate, yes, because it's an antiquated term along the lines of Oriental, Negro, Colored, etc.
Art is probably the aspect I was curious about. The green guy on my avatar is easily recognized as a work of a Chinese craftsman, a flat decorated in a "Japanese" style can be identified by most people as one. Indian art with its multicoloured mustachioed men with big eyes as also something recognizable.
Koreans, on the other hand, do not have their art at the same level of popularity in the world. Most people won't be able to tell it's a work of art (even contemporary art) from Korea. Hangul, metal chopsticks and khimchi are probably the only things from Korea that are globally known.
Even you yourself identify specific traits of your art through comparison with Chinese and Japanese art.
There's a reason why I didn't really describe art, and that's mainly because I don't know much about it--however, it seemed to me that your question did asked for comparisons, which is why I gave them.
As far as contemporary art goes, I'll admit to being somewhat ignorant in that too. I do know one of the early modern artists who worked in the medium of video and electronic art was Korean--Paik Nam-june.
The metal chopsticks being globally known is a new one on me, since most people seem ignorant of that.
Your position is basically "I think the term "Oriental" is offensive, so it obviously must be the product of European ethnocentrism." This is completely retarded.
Not quite. My position is that I think it's an antiquated term that can be offensive to some (in my case, not really, though it's problematic). The term has its origins in European ethnocentrism, but it isn't what makes it potentially offensive.
But again, there's no reason to talk to you about this, because you have absolutely no desire to even try to consider my position.
But again, there's no reason to talk to you about this, because you have absolutely no desire to even try to consider my position.
I've considered your position and have found it woefully lacking. If you were a female friend of mine, I would lie to you and tell you that your argument makes sense to preserve your fragile emotions. You're not a friend of mine, however, and I don't see the point in lying to some guy on the internet.
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The term has its origins in European ethnocentrism
No it doesn't.
Yes it does. I'm not saying that sort of ethnocentrism is exclusive to Europeans: after all, the terms "gweilo", "gaijin", and "waygook" have their origins in Asian ethnocentrism (all are terms that link "outsider" with "barbarian" and "uncivilized" in their connotations).
"Oriental" is a European term whose definition has shifted continually east as Europeans discovered that there were more lands past Anatolia and the Arab world. Its connotations these days, at least in America, are primarily negative, linked with exoticism, colonialism, and othering.
What are the origins of the term "Southerner" and "Northerner", Q3?
Those are regionalisms; what's your point in relation to the argument I'm making, which is trying to explain why some find the term "Oriental" offensive, and why it's at best, a deprecated term on par with "Colored" and "Negro"?
But again, there's no reason to talk to you about this, because you have absolutely no desire to even try to consider my position.
I've considered your position and have found it woefully lacking. If you were a female friend of mine, I would lie to you and tell you that your argument makes sense to preserve your fragile emotions. You're not a friend of mine, however, and I don't see the point in lying to some guy on the internet.
And I've considered your position and heard your position from only white people steeped in privilege who haven't the inclination nor desire to understand how such things are their part in the institutional racism that pervades American society.
I don't think you're actually overtly racist, mind you, but I do think you're about as cognizant and sensitive to racism as Helen Keller was to the colors found on a rainbow.
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