The Off Topic 2010 Celebrity Dead Pool

[ColdWizard]

Also, my #21 choice is hilarious (I just looked it up).

[Guynemer]

I vote yes, move up #21.

[ColdWizard]

I hereby request that the Panel Judge order participants to cease and desist voting under his poll exercised under his rule 2 rights on the grounds that Rule 6 is not applicable to the matter at hand. I further move that the Panel Judge consider the applicability of Rule 7 to the matter at hand and suggest a poll of participants on whether a substitute be allowed because of the ambiguity of Rule 7 in regards to the deadline of the responsibility of the participant to report the premature death of an otherwise eligible selection.

[Ming]

HUH?

[-Jrabbit]

OK, I've had my say - especially since the victim is voting against himself. :screwy: So I'm done with this. I believe it's Rule 2 that says (in essence) this is Wezil's call, and that his decision will be final.

[ColdWizard]

But what is your opinion of rule 7? Do you agree that it is not clear? Your insight is invaluable.

[Wezil]

I hereby request that the Panel Judge order participants to cease and desist voting under his poll exercised under his rule 2 rights on the grounds that Rule 6 is not applicable to the matter at hand. I further move that the Panel Judge consider the applicability of Rule 7 to the matter at hand and suggest a poll of participants on whether a substitute be allowed because of the ambiguity of Rule 7 in regards to the deadline of the responsibility of the participant to report the premature death of an otherwise eligible selection.

First, I'm sorry for the forum drama caused. It certainly wasn't my intention.

As I mentioned earlier I genuinely feel bad that you were stuck with an already dead celeb. Although I am not required to do so, I do try to ensure all submissions are alive when chosen and submitted. It was the timing of this particular death that allowed it to slip past.

I do think the intent of the rules are clear (although I take your point on the contradiction when parsing) and for that reason would (and did) rule against you. That said, I'm no tyrant and if the players felt you should have the substitution under the circumstances I was prepared to allow it.

[Wezil]

OK, I've had my say - especially since the victim is voting against himself. :screwy: So I'm done with this. I believe it's Rule 2 that says (in essence) this is Wezil's call, and that his decision will be final.

Dude, I just asked for a role call.

I understand your feeling on changing rules midway and I get it. Quite frankly I regret having removed the "Killing Spree Award" this year and will add it back again next season, but not before.

[OzzyKP]

Should his sub be moved up?


No
-Jrabbit
Solomwi
Wezil
germanos
ColdWizard

Yes
ricketyclik
flash9286
OzzyKP
Ming
Guynemer


It appears we are tied.

[Wezil]

I required 50%+1 of our players (9 votes "yes")

[DaShi]

The chickens come home to roost.

[Wezil]

Where have you been Dashi? We've missed you.

[ColdWizard]

Apparently I still can't read.

[Wezil]

Who are you asking?

[Wezil]

I mentioned Rule 6 earlier to -jrabbit when he alleged I missed something. Rule 6 points out it is not my responsibility in the first place.

Yes, I think Rule 7 more accurately applies to your situation and agree it doesn't expressly state the time frame for notification. I do think the intent is clear but allowed the vote in the interest of fairness. If the majority of players agree then I'm happy to substitute.

For reference, the first 12 Rules in order and context:

Game Rules

1. All site members are eligible to participate.
2. Any disputes will be discussed in the DP thread. A Judges Panel (Wezil) will arbitrate and rule on all disputes and verify eligibility of all list names. Decisions of this Panel are FINAL.
3. Each player is to pick 25 different celebrities who they believe will be alive as of midnight 1st January 2010, but whom will no longer be “with us” by the end of 31st December 2010.
a) These 25 names will be divided between a “Game List” of 20 names and a “Reserve List” of 5 names.
b) The celebrity choices are to be “Ranked” in order of confidence (most likely to die at the top of the list – least likely at bottom).
4. This list is to be sent by Private Message to Wezil for eligibility verification. DO NOT post your list in the thread. I will post the lists of all players at the start of the game in January. This prevents others from “poaching” your good picks. No further entries will be accepted after 31st December 2009.
5. The Panel Judge will examine all list names for eligibility (see Rule 22). In the event a celebrity is ruled ineligible a replacement, if available, will be moved up from the player’s Reserve List
6. The Panel Judge will not determine if the submitted celebrity is currently alive. If you choose someone that is already dead you will be stuck with that celebrity on your list unless you notice and report the error prior to January 1st, 2010. If you still have available celebrities from your Reserve List one will be moved up to replace the already deceased choice prior to the start of the Pool.
7. If one of your picks dies after selections are submitted but before the beginning of game play at the start of the year, the top name on your Reserve List will move up to the bottom of your Game List. If a celebrity does jump the gun and die before the official start of the game it is the responsibility of the player to report the early death to the Panel Judge.
8. If one (or more) of your picks are ruled “Ineligible” by the Panel Judge, celebrity names from you Reserve List, if available, will be moved up to your Game List.
9. You may only enter The Apolyton Off Topic Dead Pool once per year.
10. Points will be awarded for each celebrity that you accurately predicted would die in 2010. Points will be awarded according to the formula in Rule 15.
11. Celebrity deaths are to be reported by the players in the Dead Pool thread (one report will suffice for all). I don’t have the time or inclination to keep track of everybody’s list. If someone on your list dies it is your duty to claim your points. NOTE: A link to an obit of some kind is required (see Rule 23b). This link must be in English.
12. All deaths are to be reported by 7th January 2011 (to allow for any delay in media reporting). This will be the official closing day for awarding points.