Relevance of Old Testament in Modern World

[Ben Kenobi]

And of course Ben, you agree with these being dealt with by capital punishment too?

I already said, we are under Grace, not Law. The punishments are different because we are not Israel by any stretch of the word.

[MrFun]

Hey Drake, if you don't want to contribute to this discussion, then don't post in this thread.

You can't accuse me of not contributing to the discussion just because you don't want to hear the Truth.

You did not answer my question about why Christian right-wing fundies pick and choose only the laws/rules in OT that are convenient for them to obey, rather than obeying ALL the laws/rules.

[Drake Tungsten]

You did not answer my question about why Christian right-wing fundies pick and choose only the laws/rules in OT that are convenient for them to obey

Yes, I did. They don't obey the Word of God because our godless society has made it against the law to do so in many cases.

[Provost Harrison]

I already said, we are under Grace, not Law. The punishments are different because we are not Israel by any stretch of the word.

I don't follow your logic.

[Ben Kenobi]

What part have I lost you? The under Grace part, or the fact that we aren't Israel?

[Provost Harrison]

Well not being Israel is an astute observation but I don't see the relevance. And the grace thing? What? It says that in the Old Testament, so how can you suddenly change the rules?

[Felch]

Not if he's a good Catholic.

xpost from waaaaay back. I need to quit opening threads and smoking at the same time.

[Provost Harrison]

If you're reading threads like this, I wouldn't recommend you stop smoking, just smoke something stronger

[Ben Kenobi]

Well not being Israel is an astute observation but I don't see the relevance.

Leviticus is a list of laws that specifically applied to Israel. The punishments, the whole structure was designed by God, to reflect his laws in heaven.

And the grace thing? What? It says that in the Old Testament, so how can you suddenly change the rules?

Jesus changed the way many things worked. I'm surprised Mr. Fun hasn't brought up the whole sacrificial system. The way things worked before, is that you had all these different animals to sacrifice for specific offenses. Christ gave himself for the sins, not just of the Jews, but for everyone, Jews and Gentiles.

This is why the old sacrificial system no longer makes any sense. Christ's atonement is also why we are under Grace, not Law, because he is the perfect sacrifice to replace the imperfect sacrifice. A few other things he changed as well, including marriage, saying that divorce was not always permitted, but it had been permitted in Israel contrary to the law of God.

The reason why "we are not Israel" is significant, is that salvation comes to us, only through Christ's atonement and his death on the Cross. This was the price that Christ had to pay in order that our sins may be redeemed. This isn't the case for Jewish people, as not only are they preserved through Christ's atonement, but also YHWH has his covenant with them.

[Provost Harrison]

And you believe all that waffle?

[Ben Kenobi]

Hmm?

Yeah I do.

[Provost Harrison]

O...K...sounds a bit far fetched don't you think? You consider me to lack faith or something but all that sounds a bit complex and convoluted to be remotely the real order of things.

[Ben Kenobi]

Chemistry is convoluted and complicated.

[MrFun]

By the way, I would appreciate it if atheists avoid participating in this thread. I want to further my understanding of the Bible in context of our modern societies, not turn this into another religiously faithful versus atheists flame-fest.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you going to answer my question Mr. Fun?