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    By David Lightman and William Douglas, McClatchy Newspapers David Lightman And William Douglas, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Mon Dec 7, 5:46 pm ET
    WASHINGTON — Republicans trying to slow action on the Democrats' health care plan are using the same tactics as the lawmakers who once tried to block progress on civil rights and women's rights, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Monday.

    "History is repeating itself before our eyes," the Nevada Democrat said as he opened the day's debate on health care.

    While congressional analysts thought that comparing GOP strategists to the senators who tried to thwart historic civil rights movements was misplaced, they agreed with Reid that the Republican effort to slow the health care bill is well-rooted in U.S. Senate history.

    The GOP today controls 40 of the Senate's 100 seats, which means that under Senate rules, the party needs only one more vote to keep blocking legislation indefinitely.

    "It happens all the time," said Gary Jacobson , a political science professor at the University of California, San Diego . "Minorities may often be on the wrong side of history, but they often go down swinging."

    The Senate wasn't designed to be efficient, or even democratic. It's a place where Wyoming , with an estimated 2008 population of 532,000, has the same clout as California and its 36.7 million people. It's also a place that treasures extended debate, ensuring by its rules that it's hard to cut off debate and force a vote.

    Extended debate is therefore historically a tactic cherished by minorities of every ideology and party. It's an important source of power for every senator, whether it's a southern Democrat circa 1964 fighting civil rights law or a Republican today opposing government involvement in health care.

    Reid's remarks came a day after President Barack Obama urged Senate Democrats to make history by passing the measure. On Monday Reid noted that Republicans have questioned the historic value of the bill.

    "Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all Republicans have come up with is this: 'Slow down, stop everything. Let's start over,'" he said. "You think you've heard these same excuses before. You're right. In this country, there were those who dug in their heels and said, 'Slow down. It's too early. Let's wait.'"

    He cited some examples of history's nay-sayers: "Things aren't bad enough about slavery," he recalled them saying. "When women wanted to vote, slow down, there will be a better day to do that. . . . Some senators resorted to the same filibuster we hear today."

    Republicans were outraged.

    Sen. John Thune , R- S.D. , the chairman of the Republican Policy Committee. labeled them "inflammatory" and "irresponsible."

    GOP Chairman Michael Steele said Reid's comments comparing his effort to pass health care to the bid to end slavery were "deeply insulting" and came from "an elected official saying anything, doing anything, running roughshod over any citizen who opposes his left-wing effort to jam big-government run health care down our throats."

    Ronald Walters , a political science professor emeritus at the University of Maryland , said that Reid's comparison to the days of slavery doesn't apply, because today's political parties are very different than they were during the 19th century slavery debates, as well as the civil rights battles of the 1950s and 1960s.

    The Democratic Party of the 1800s was considered the party of landowners who owned slaves, while the GOP was viewed as a more radical party, Walters said, because of its opposition to slavery.

    "And 21st century Republicans today are like Southern Democrats of the past," Walters said.

    In 1964, Senate Democrats led a 57-day debate on the landmark Civil Rights Act that ended only when 27 Republicans joined 44 Democrats to cut off the debate. Twenty-three Democrats and six Republicans voted to keep talking.
    Reid reaches across to other party - to smack them with insults.

    Thanks for cutting your own party's throat in the debate on health care Reid.
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    Congress doing less.

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      Go **** a lotus.
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        Who cares what the Republicans think? It's not like they were going to support any health care legislation anyway.
        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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          I think they would support a legislation that would remove barriers of competition while supporting corporate tax incentives for those companies which would supply a coverage option for underprivileged individuals.
          Monkey!!!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Theben View Post
            Who cares what the Republicans think? It's not like they were going to support any health care legislation anyway.
            sigh
            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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            • #7
              I suppose that if the legislation handed huge tax breaks to Republican corporate backers, they'd support it. Oh wait, they tried that and it's still socialist. Never mind.
              I'm consitently stupid- Japher
              I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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              • #8
                MrFun should change his username to Can't We All Just Get Along. The answer to the question, by the way, is "no."
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                  I don't see how Reid comparing healthcare reform to the civil rights struggle is any more objectionable than gay activists comparing gay marriage to the civil rights struggle.

                  The similarities between healthcare reform and gay marriage go beyond the rhetorical tropes used by their supporters. Both are unpopular with a majority of Americans and have so far failed to be put into practice because a critical mass of Democratic lawmakers care more about being reelected than actually achieving a stated goal of the Democratic party. And, in both cases, the Republicans are the ones who get blamed for the failure, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
                    I don't see how Reid comparing healthcare reform to the civil rights struggle is any more objectionable than gay activists comparing gay marriage to the civil rights struggle.

                    The similarities between healthcare reform and gay marriage go beyond the rhetorical tropes used by their supporters. Both are unpopular with a majority of Americans and have so far failed to be put into practice because a critical mass of Democratic lawmakers care more about being reelected than actually achieving a stated goal of the Democratic party. And, in both cases, the Republicans are the ones who get blamed for the failure, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
                    There are genuine analogies and parallels with civil rights for gays and lesbians and civil rights for other minority groups - which include the right of marriage. There have been, and are, black civil rights leaders who support such comparisons.

                    The comparison with health care and civil rights, in contrast, really is ridiculous.


                    Why don't you just admit that you hate yourself because you're gay? Admitting a problem is the first step toward facing it.
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                    • #11
                      Man, just like those Democrats voted in Jim Crow Laws.

                      Yep, thanks alot for stoking the republicans.
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                      • #12
                        Actually health care reform is very popular among the electorate. It's just that what is being trotted out isn't.
                        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
                        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theben View Post
                          Who cares what the Republicans think? It's not like they were going to support any health care legislation anyway.
                          Exactly. They controlled everything for six years and did nothing. They're not interested in doing anything to solve the health care problem.
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                          • #14
                            Dude! If we only stick with the status quo for 6 more years all the sickly people will be dead and we won't need to worry about them!
                            Monkey!!!

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                              Best Ezra Klein editorial in a while

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