Bush appointee Christie rips off Monty Python in NJ gov race

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I agree they should have the right to choose since it's their work, but I still think they wouldn't have cared if it had been a dem using it.

[Asher]

Not ecactly sure you can pick and choose your battles when it comes to protecting an IP. I coulod be wrong though.

Yes, you are. IP is not a trademark.

Not that this matters, because the theory that they only care cause it's a sleazy Republican isn't a fact so it's not a very smart question to ask in the first place.

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Not that this matters, because the theory that they only care cause it's a sleazy Republican isn't a fact so it's not a very smart question to ask in the first place.

Alerted to the theft of their copyright, members of Monty Python are most unhappy. Michael Palin, who appears in the clip pirated for the advert, is especially displeased that his likeness is being used by the Republican candidate without permission.

not exactly a theory

[DaShi]

Not ecactly sure you can pick and choose your battles when it comes to protecting an IP. I coulod be wrong though. If someone is more knowledgeable about the law, I would be interested in what they have to say about it though.

Check your facts before posting. :wiglaf:

[Asher]

not exactly a theory

It is, read the wording. Especially displeased.

I'd be upset either way if I was assraped by someone, I would be especially displeased if I was assraped by Richard Simmons.

[Patroklos]

I would be especially displeased if I was assraped by Richard Simmons.

Liar.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Of course the suit would happen after the election (which occurs tomorrow), so its a smart gambit. Of course, this still makes AG Christie less scummier than Governor Corzine.

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It is, read the wording. Especially displeased.

Ok, I can accept that, but with "Republican" specifically mentioned I still think that if it had been someone to his liking he might have been displeased but not enough to do anything about it.

[Lorizael]

Well duh. Just because he throws his aide under the bus, doesn't make it so. This is New Jersey we are talking about here. Of course he's going to deny that the fellow was ever associated with him.

There's no evidence that this guy was, in fact, an aide of Corzine's except that he babbled about it after being picked up by the police. So, essentially, you're taking the word of a drug dealer over Corzine's spokeswoman.

JRabbit's article says nothing of the sort. All it was is a smear on Christie, conveniently two days before the election. I'm not buying it.

Oh, you're saying -Jrabbit's article is a hit piece? Sure. They were responding to an ad that was launched on Friday. Jesus.

Tax 'em long, tax 'em hard. Sounds like a typical Pelosicrat.

From what orifice do you pull this crap? You're such a coward. If you really opposed taxes, you'd sell all your worldly possessions, never buy consumer products, and only engage in bartering. Grow a spine or be quiet.

[Ben Kenobi]

There's no evidence that this guy was, in fact, an aide of Corzine's except that he babbled about it after being picked up by the police.

Other than the fact that his car was in fact rented out to the Corzine campaign? But then you already knew that, so nothing to see here move along.

So, essentially, you're taking the word of a drug dealer over Corzine's spokeswoman.

Why on earth would he claim to be associated with Corzine? The dealer was arguing that those weren't his drugs, they were just in the car that wasn't his.

Oh, you're saying -Jrabbit's article is a hit piece? Sure. They were responding to an ad that was launched on Friday. Jesus.

Uh "Bush Appointee, plus the random non sequitor about AG? It's like a timewarp 5 years ago. Hey folks, you might want to update your templates. Bush isn't prez anymore.

From what orifice do you pull this crap? You're such a coward. If you really opposed taxes, you'd sell all your worldly possessions, never buy consumer products, and only engage in bartering. Grow a spine or be quiet.

"I'll take dumbass responses for 1000". Holy cow. Are you that devoted to higher taxes? I mean seriously.

NJ already is a high tax environment. Thanks for confirming that Corzine just wants to make NJ even more uncompetitive.

BTW, this is awesome moderating. You need to chill Lori before you burst a vein.

[-Jrabbit]

Actually, I like to be credited, but I don't really care who uses my stuff, provided they put something in it to say where they got it from. Beyond that, I don't care.

But wait!

If a publisher wants to make money off selling my stuff, then I have a problem with it, and I'll want money for them to print me.

You get to pick one, and only one, of the above. If you don't specify the IP fate of the materials you produce, you are begging to be abused. I negotiate the rights to my work at all times, with higher compensation for ceding additional usage (publishing houses) or assigning IP rights (corporate clients). Failure to do so allows your clients to claim you simply did "work for hire" and deny any future claims regardless of how they (or their successor and assigns) re-use the material.
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I'm unsurprised but still saddened to see this thread devolve into partisan politics. I don't care one whit about the governor's race in New Jersey. The simple fact is, a politician has appropriated copyrighted IP for a campaign commercial -- and put it on local, cable and national TV. No permission was sought. That is outright thievery.
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Speculation as to the political motivations behind this are irrelevant. The Pythons' right to retain control of usage of their creations is all that matters. If a Dem had done this, they would have the same right to sue, or demand compensation. Whether they would or not is a moot point. In fact, the Pythons have a responsibility to themselves to complain. If you blindly ignore the misappropriation of your materials, you are open to claims that you allowed them to become public domain.
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Regarding the source, yeah, it's some lefty blogger who is published on HuffPost. Ignoring the facts of the IP matter and trying to change the discussion to his motivations is just intellectual cowardice. The fact is, the campaign suddenly stopped running the ads, removed its Youtube posting and cleansed the website. Go on, tell me that's not tantamount to a total admission of guilt. Whether it was approved by a campaign manager or the candidate himself is unimportant.
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The ad itself was pretty damned good.
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Troll success rating: I give myself a 7 out of 10. Hooking Ben is a bit too easy for anything higher than a 5, but a few others joined in, so it's all good.

[C0ckney]

19 pills isn't that many to get caught with, he can surely claim that they're just for personal use.

and yes felch is correct, ecstacy is awesome. although i find it's better at getting girls to tell you their life stories and talk for hours on end about all their ****ing problems sex on pills however, can't be beat.

[Lorizael]

Other than the fact that his car was in fact rented out to the Corzine campaign? But then you already knew that, so nothing to see here move along.

From your own article...

Schanel said the vehicle was rented, but said it is unclear who rented it.

Again, no evidence that your claim is true, except that a drug dealer says so.

"I'll take dumbass responses for 1000". Holy cow. Are you that devoted to higher taxes? I mean seriously.

NJ already is a high tax environment. Thanks for confirming that Corzine just wants to make NJ even more uncompetitive.

I'm not devoted to taxes at all. And I have no special knowledge about what Corzine wants. And neither do you. But you've bolded him saying that a policy worked and providing that as proof that he's a tax 'em long and hard something else homoerotic pelosicrat, whatever that means. You're always opposed to taxes, unless they are taxes that fund causes you support. Have some consistency, man.

BTW, this is awesome moderating. You need to chill Lori before you burst a vein.

You're right. Calling you a coward is uncalled for. I apologize.

[Ben Kenobi]

You get to pick one, and only one, of the above. If you don't specify the IP fate of the materials you produce, you are begging to be abused. I negotiate the rights to my work at all times, with higher compensation for ceding additional usage (publishing houses) or assigning IP rights (corporate clients). Failure to do so allows your clients to claim you simply did "work for hire" and deny any future claims regardless of how they (or their successor and assigns) re-use the material.

I can understand why you take this position. My experience has been that I get contracted to write ahead of time, and then release the work for distribution, or I release the material to folks I trust who then pay me later on. If I get paid for the work, that's all I care about, the subsequent usages are icing on the cake. The folks I trust I have had a long working relationship with, which has been productive for both of us.

The simple fact is, a politician has appropriated copyrighted IP for a campaign commercial -- and put it on local, cable and national TV. No permission was sought. That is outright thievery.

And his response was to immediately pull it down and apologise. Where's the story here? HuffPo is trying to save Corzine's ass.

Speculation as to the political motivations behind this are irrelevant. The Pythons' right to retain control of usage of their creations is all that matters. If a Dem had done this, they would have the same right to sue, or demand compensation. Whether they would or not is a moot point. In fact, the Pythons have a responsibility to themselves to complain. If you blindly ignore the misappropriation of your materials, you are open to claims that you allowed them to become public domain.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's not as if the Pythons are conflicted over new material. The way copyright laws work now, is that nothing gets released into the public domain, and this is going to become a greater and greater problem in the future. I deal with both ends, the publication end, and the archival end. Stuff that is not in the public domain, for which there is no current demand, is simply going to be lost altogether. Do the Pythons want this?

Go on, tell me that's not tantamount to a total admission of guilt. Whether it was approved by a campaign manager or the candidate himself is unimportant.

So you are *****ing that the republicans did the honourable thing? They may have thought, that the Pythons wouldn't mind the use of their material. Pythons spoke up, he pulled it down. End of story. This is the way the relationship is supposed to work. You should be hailing the Christie campaign for doing the right thing.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're always opposed to taxes, unless they are taxes that fund causes you support. Have some consistency, man.

Causes such as?

Where have I ever argued that taxes should be collected to fund the causes I support?

Unless the 'military' is a cause, and even there, I argue it would be better for Canada to simply cut the US a cheque every year.