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  • It's time to bring back usury laws.

    True, these people don't have to use these cards but the credit card companies do love to bait and switch where they tell people one APR and then later switch it, without notice often times, to a totally different APR. Now APRs as high as 79.9% are happening. Yes, 79.9%! Thomas Jefferson was right. Banks are more dangerous then standing armies and they need to have every aspect of their business regulated and then regulated again. Banks shouldn't be able to take a piss without asking permission and then getting permission in triplicate forms.



    No, You're Reading That Right
    79.9 percent rate targets credit-challenged

    Gordon Hageman couldn’t believe the credit card offer he got in the mail.

    "My first thought, it was a mistake," Hageman said.

    The wine distributor called the number on the offer, gave them the offer code and verified his information. Sure enough, it was right: the pre-approved credit card came with a 79.9 percent APR.

    Yes, 79.9 percent.

    The offer is for a Premier card from First Premier Bank, which is based in South Dakota. On its Web site, First Premier says it is the country's 10th largest issuer of Visa and MasterCard credit cards. The site also says it "focuses on individuals who have less than perfect credit but are actually still creditworthy."

    "I think they’re trying to take advantage of me," said Hageman.

    Ya think?

    Hageman acknowleged that his credit isn't perfect, but he said it's about average. He said the pre-approved offer didn’t mention the actual interest rate on the card -- for that, he had to read the enclosed fine-print disclosure.

    "I think you’re beginning to border on deception there," San Diego State marketing professor Michael Belch said.

    Belch said the card is offering a bad deal to people who are desperate.

    "They're just finding different ways to gouge the consumer," Belch said.

    The California Attorney General's office said there's nothing it can do about the cards since they are issued out of state and out of its jurisdiction.

    A spokesman with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) said interest rate limits on bank cards are set by the individual state and not on a federal level. According to information on the South Dakota Legislative Web site, there is "no maximum or usury restriction." In other words, the individual bank can set its own interest rate limits.

    Several calls made to First Premier for a comment were not returned.
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  • #2
    Don't use credit cards. How hard can it possibly be?
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    • #3
      This isn't a bait/switch, though. It's just a straight-up screw job.
      Exactly when did usury become legal again?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        Don't use credit cards. How hard can it possibly be?
        For a large portion of the population, obviously very difficult. I blame a large part of the recession we are currently in on the misuse of credit by far too many people. If people were able to regulate and control themselves we wouldn't need government enforcement of usury laws. However as people by an large seem unable to regulate their own spending government can and should step in an enforce usury laws.

        This example indicates that the interest rate was in the fine print, and as such I don't have a lot of sympathy for the individual, the fine print is there for a reason.

        I think a bigger problem then the credit card companies (in Canada at least) is the Payday loan companies, or cheque cashing companies, that charge excessive fees and rates (often charging it as a "fee" rather then "interest" to get around the time based rate that would result if it were interest).

        Ordinarily I would be against government interference in this type of consumer issue, but as consumer are clearly unable to control their own spending habits, I would be in favour of government "helping" to control consumer impulses to incur bad credit and put individuals even further in debt which in many cases will never be paid off without further hardship.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
          This isn't a bait/switch, though. It's just a straight-up screw job.
          Exactly when did usury become legal again?
          Back in the 90's they kept raising the maximum APR and eventually just removed all caps what so ever. Which speaks to the power of the various moneyed lobbying groups in Washington.
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          • #6
            Ordinarily I would be against government interference in this type of consumer issue, but as consumer are clearly unable to control their own spending habits, I would be in favour of government "helping" to control consumer impulses to incur bad credit and put individuals even further in debt which in many cases will never be paid off without further hardship.
            Caveat Emptor.

            Even with the 77 percent or so, it has zero effect on anyone who does not carry a regular balance. At the same time, the card provides the same benefit that other credit cards do, in allowing you to pay later for purchases now.

            A far greater problem is the moving dates of payment. I have no problem with a 77 percent credit card fee, provided the customer is provided with a set date every month on which to pay his bill. It would help those with bad credit build up a better credit rating.

            I would also support a low credit limit on these cards.
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            • #7
              That's hardly fine print, it's in a legally mandated large font size. I think people who are THAT stupid should be allowed to give banks their money...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                This isn't a bait/switch, though. It's just a straight-up screw job.
                Screw job? Let me get this straight: you think that some guy who gets an offer in the mail for a credit card at a rate he doesn't like is getting screwed?

                Look, I don't like paying 20000$ for a new car. I think new cars should cost 10000$. Where's the government to protect my rights?



                Exactly when did usury become legal again?
                Usury laws are irrelevant because of interstate banking. There is a race to the bottom in terms of "consumer protection".

                I'm all for ensuring that consumers are protected against changes to the terms of their loans, especially on existing balances, and that all information is presented in a clear, unambiguous manner. But what the **** does this requirement have to do with government price controls (which is exactly what "usury laws" are)?
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                • #9
                  I would take it, cash out and never pay a cent.
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                  • #10
                    If you think that ruining your credit rating for a few thousand dollars is a good idea then you're an idiot.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                      If you think that ruining your credit rating for a few thousand dollars is a good idea then you're an idiot.

                      Ruining? I don't know...If I use that thousands in cash to pay off other credit cards i might have a net benefit AND even better, I make that 79.9% live up the risk of default I present. The system works.

                      And speaking of systems working, if everything returns to 2003-2007 levels of credit distribution it won't impact my ability to procure credit. That seems to be the end game for our current administration.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                        Don't use credit cards. How hard can it possibly be?
                        You've got to be wickedly stupid not to use credit cards as much as possible.

                        You've got fraud protection, warranty extension (usually), and I get essentially get 1% off every purchase and no annual fee. It also builds a good credit rating.

                        Just don't carry a balance. If you NEED to spend more than your means, use a line of credit to pay off the credit card.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                          Screw job? Let me get this straight: you think that some guy who gets an offer in the mail for a credit card at a rate he doesn't like is getting screwed?
                          I don't think usurious rates should be available, no. They are basically given to those who who are bad credit risks. Those people should simply not be offered credit. Because when they default, the rest of us ultimately pay.
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                          • #14
                            Errr....no. I have no idea where you got that simple-minded analysis from.

                            They are, generally, given to those who have a high chance of default. But the POINT IS that the high rates they pay end up COVERING their defaults. Otherwise why the **** would companies offer them? Companies aren't in the business of ensuring that their good customers end up subsidizing their bad customers. Any company that did that would rapidly find its good customers abandoning it for a company with smarter business practices.

                            Where the **** do you get off telling two parties what contracts they can or cannot engage in, especially when there's no obvious moral problem (e.g. paying homeless people to fight on camera)?

                            What a ****ing retarded position.

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                            • #15
                              at anybody who thinks usury laws are a good idea.

                              There have been points in my own life where an 80% APR would have been a good deal for me, relative to no loan. Credit is a good thing. If somebody needs money and is a default risk then why the hell do paternalistic jackasses think that preventing them from getting it does any good at all?

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