A Music Thread

[Thoth]

Thoth & Cockney:

Since both of you seem to like 80's music as well as other things, any thoughts on Hall & Oates? Or too pop/soul for your punk rock sensibilities?

It's not to my taste, too empty. (and Maneater and Private Eyes got played to death in a big way when they were first released).



Gotta like a band who's drummer goes by the name of "Idiot Arsehole"


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[ZEE]

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[Al B. Sure!]

Thoth & Cockney:

Since both of you seem to like 80's music as well as other things, any thoughts on Hall & Oates? Or too pop/soul for your punk rock sensibilities?

[Al B. Sure!]

Cockney:

When I worked at a job that had a radio station playing in the background, I once counted how many songs were played in a two hour span. I forget exactly but songs were being repeated in as short a span as two hours!

Hip hop/rap stations, however, do have weekly radio shows that specifically showcase up and coming talent, usually local, but not necessarily so, where they interview an up-and-comer and play some of his songs as well as other songs that they got sent in just in the mail by people who are aspiring. Granted, there are probably rules concerning what exactly they can play and it's up to the DJ's discretion so if he doesn't like your song, you won't get played, but still, there is a definite outlet to get radio play and I know some guys who have been locally showcased on the radio.

There's also the matter of getting with DJ's. If you're talented and can get down with a DJ, he can play some of your stuff at parties or clubs he works and if he makes mixtapes, distribute you through the mixtape network.

There's a lot of ways to get at least locally known without any significant backing (or even performing at clubs, etc. believe it or not!). Once someone can become popular in NYC or Philly or Baltimore or wherever else, the chance that they can make the leap to national fame has increased significantly.

I would imagine rock stations would do the same thing.

[ZEE]

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[C0ckney]

Bah! You can create great innovative art AND be popular at the same time. I question the value of 'art' if no one likes it. Not saying popularity implies quality but quality should usually result in some level of popularity. If it stays niche, there's a reason for that... it's really probably not all that good.

there are all sorts of reasons why a great piece of art or music might not become popular. a lack of availability (especially in the days before downloads), a lack of publicity, or simply the fact that people (in general) don't look for quality stuff, or don't appreciate it when they stumble upon it and instead are happy to swallow whatever crap they hear on the radio or MTV etc.

the other problem is what i call the nation radio problem. there's a station in south wales called nation radio, it's a rock music station. they play classic rock and modern rock music and although they play a lot of things not to my taste, they also play a lot of good stuff. the problem is that i have listened to nation radio a lot (mostly because it was the best station on FM radio in the day) and i've not once heard anything that i've not heard somewhere else before, not one song. that to me is the most damning indictment of a radio station. they have 50 years of rock music to choose from and yet they are content to play the songs that everybody knows and everybody likes, over and over again. it's a very safe music policy from a commercial point of view no doubt, but it's no good for people who actually like music.

unfortunately, this kind of attitude is all too common.

[Thoth]

Thoth:

Interesting that someone who was so adamant about rap being crap would post a Gil Scott Heron song/poem/rap. (I posted a few of his works in this thread a few pages back including a song he recorded this year with Nas)

It's amazing what I'll post while blind drunk.

[Al B. Sure!]

Hall & Oates

[ZEE]

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[Al B. Sure!]

Thoth:

Interesting that someone who was so adamant about rap being crap would post a Gil Scott Heron song/poem/rap. (I posted a few of his works in this thread a few pages back including a song he recorded this year with Nas)

[chequita guevara]

The point of the song is that you cannot sit back and watch tv if you want to change the world.

[Thoth]

New Model Army's guy... I have no idea what he's saying. What's with his accent? Brits have problems with enunciation.

No. Not our fault that you Yankees can't understand the English language.

The next two are so 80's... the first Fishbone one doesn't even seem like a song though The second Fishbone is alright I guess.

80's? Yes, go figure. Listen again and see if you get the point.

Lords of the New Church... is that song famous or is there a famous song that sounds similar. I've heard that song before somewhere.

LOTNC were never famous, but they did some goddamn awesome tunes.

Bah! You can create great innovative art AND be popular at the same time. I question the value of 'art' if no one likes it. Not saying popularity implies quality but quality should usually result in some level of popularity. If it stays niche, it's really probably not all that good.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.

Popular = McDonalads.

Unpopular= Maybe crap/maybe great. Creating something new is a risk that an artist takes, it might work, it might not. The "shouting in the microphone" that you hear resonates as truth to those of us who grew up during those times.

Artists have a hard time creating something innovative that is also popular. For the most part, a musician or an artist can do one or the other. If what they produce is popular, it likely isn't art. If it's art it likely isn't very popular at the time.






Contrary to what the song says, the revolution will most likely be televised.

[chequita guevara]

Lenny Kravitz, Let Love Rule

[Al B. Sure!]

Taking it back to the 70's with Roy Ayers... Plain old fashioned good music...

[Al B. Sure!]

New Model Army's guy... I have no idea what he's saying. What's with his accent? Brits have problems with enunciation.
The next two are so 80's... the first Fishbone one doesn't even seem like a song though The second Fishbone is alright I guess.

Lords of the New Church... is that song famous or is there a famous song that sounds similar. I've heard that song before somewhere.

Music, like any other art, is supposed to disturb the status quo. The garbage on MTV/commercial radio doesn't disturb anyone. It is neither art nor music. It is simply money making wank fodder for corporate executives and the brainless gits who like wanking to pablum.

Bah! You can create great innovative art AND be popular at the same time. I question the value of 'art' if no one likes it. Not saying popularity implies quality but quality should usually result in some level of popularity. If it stays niche, there's a reason for that... it's really probably not all that good.