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  • Darius871
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    Originally posted by DanS View Post
    ACORN is run by a bunch of idiots. This kind of idiocy cries out for punishment.

    By Carol D. Leonnig
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, September 24, 2009

    ACORN, the community organizing group embarrassed recently in a video sting, said Wednesday that it needs to determine whether it has major internal problems, but it also struck back, filing a lawsuit against the people who conducted the secret investigation.

    Bertha Lewis, head of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, told reporters in a conference call that ACORN does not support criminal activity and that it thinks the filmmakers should have obeyed Maryland laws. In the state, where one video that embarrassed ACORN was made, the act constituted illegal wiretapping, the suit says.
    Without even knowing Maryland law I could explain why the complaint (text here) is laughably frivolous, but this guy does it well enough:

    [ACORN's] problem, however, is that the statute specifically defines “oral communication” in section 10-401(2)(i) as: “any conversation or words spoken to or by any person in private conversation.”

    What this means, as established by the clear text of the statute (and Maryland caselaw, including Fearnow v. Chesapeake & Potomac Tel. Co. of Maryland, 342 Md. 363 (Md. 1996)) is that at least one of the parties to the conversation must have had a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation.
    In other words, if someone stands up in the town square and shouts out loud and someone else records it, that is not a violation of the act.

    The problem for ACORN is that, as a matter of law, the employees at ACORN had no reasonable expectation of privacy in what they said to members of the public who entered their offices. As made clear by Katz v. United States and its progeny (made applicable specifically to the Maryland Wiretap Act by cases such as Malpas v. State, 695 A.2d 588, 595 (Md. Ct. Spec. App. 1997)), “What a person exposes knowingly to the public, even in his own home or office, is not a subject of Fourth Amendment protection.”

    The conversations in question were knowingly exposed in a place of business to two customers who walked in off the streets.
    There is and can be absolutely no expectation of privacy for the ACORN employees in question. As such, the conversations are not “private conversations” under the Maryland Wiretap Act as a matter of law. I found all this in a matter of 15 minutes on Lexis. I’m sure another 15 (which I don’t have) will find numerous directly applicable precedents under Katz that are completely factually indistinguishable from the present case. In other words, this case is so totally without legal merit the very filing of it is almost sanctionable. And putting “they had a reasonable expectation of privacy” in the complaint is not enough for this claim to survive summary dismissal; the court does not have to accept conclusory statements and legal conclusions.

    Furthermore, to the extent that ACORN wants to go after Breitbart (and I hear they are wanting to go after Fox next!) for publishing this information of clear public concern, they might want to check the First Amendment jurisprudence of the United States Supreme Court on that question before getting themselves in further trouble.

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  • rah
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    Brilliant.
    How can we make this go away and show all the good things we do?
    Let's sue them.

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  • DinoDoc
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    Originally posted by DanS View Post
    ACORN is run by a bunch of idiots. This kind of idiocy cries out for punishment.
    Discovery should be fun. Prolly make for more stories as well.

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  • DanS
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    ACORN is run by a bunch of idiots. This kind of idiocy cries out for punishment.

    By Carol D. Leonnig
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Thursday, September 24, 2009

    ACORN, the community organizing group embarrassed recently in a video sting, said Wednesday that it needs to determine whether it has major internal problems, but it also struck back, filing a lawsuit against the people who conducted the secret investigation.

    Bertha Lewis, head of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, told reporters in a conference call that ACORN does not support criminal activity and that it thinks the filmmakers should have obeyed Maryland laws. In the state, where one video that embarrassed ACORN was made, the act constituted illegal wiretapping, the suit says.

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  • Darius871
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    Originally posted by Theben View Post
    How many people here haven't screwed around at work? Playing games or surfing the intartubes? You think these people are higher and mightier than Joe Shmoe and Mr. White Collar?
    I'm not saying it's impossible, just that it's improbable given the time and effort involved, leaving aside the fact that their facial expressions and body language in the videos don't suggest the "playing along" or "joke" theory the slightest bit. No smirks, no WTF looks, no glancing at each other, just down-to-business advice. If they were poking fun, their deadpan abilities would give Mitch Hedberg a run for his money (well, his estate anyway).

    Originally posted by Theben View Post
    Yeah they should be more professional but if NONE of the paperwork was sent thru
    I don't know if you've watched the videos beginning to end, but it's clear from the context that the first interview was meant to be preliminary and all parties contemplated a follow-up meeting once some things were cleared up (picking the house, getting the girls, etc.). Hell, in one of the news interviews posted on this thread, Giles even mentioned that she made a follow-up phone call to at least the San Diego employee IIRC (maybe others) and the plan was still on. Nobody's suggesting that the paperwork was finalized in the very first sit-down, and it wouldn't have to be to get the same point across.

    Originally posted by Theben View Post
    (except for the gun-totin' crackwhore).
    How is it that the one person you refuse to excuse happens to also be the only person to come forward with the "joke" theory you're hanging your hat on (see video above)? Or has someone else said the same thing?
    Last edited by Darius871; September 24, 2009, 01:37.

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  • DaShi
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    Still it's unlikely that respectable organization like Fox News would blow such a story out of proportion like this.

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  • Theben
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    Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
    What Drake said, minus the idiot part. More specifically, it's not as if these people are sitting around with nothing better to do; there are tons of perfectly good poor folk out there to help with that half-hour worth of effort and expertise, but they instead devoted it entirely to ****ing around with these strangers' minds for ****s and giggles? Sounds highly improbable for the sort of driven idealists that community organizers are supposed to be.
    How many people here haven't screwed around at work? Playing games or surfing the intartubes? You think these people are higher and mightier than Joe Shmoe and Mr. White Collar? Please. Yeah they should be more professional but if NONE of the paperwork was sent thru then it's nothing but a hatchet job like Asher said (except for the gun-totin' crackwhore). I can't say for certain whether or not that statement was true but if it is then the whole episode was blown way out of proportion.

    It would be a lot more effective if they brought up something from after I was born.


    He did mention Boeing and Blackwater...

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  • Darius871
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    Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
    Theben is "just asking questions"...



    Unbelievable!

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  • Drake Tungsten
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    Theben is "just asking questions"...

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  • Imran Siddiqui
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    Well, it's just left wing apologists talking. Excusing ACORN is small time for them.

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  • Darius871
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    Originally posted by Theben View Post
    Which leads into my other point that they didn't take them seriously.
    What Drake said, minus the idiot part. More specifically, it's not as if these people are sitting around with nothing better to do; there are tons of perfectly good poor folk out there to help with that half-hour worth of effort and expertise, but they instead devoted it entirely to ****ing around with these strangers' minds for ****s and giggles? Sounds highly improbable for the sort of driven idealists that community organizers are supposed to be.

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  • Theben
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    Originally posted by SpencerH View Post
    it is clearly a political arm of the dems that was receiving government funding. Perhaps they did some good work as a non-profit, I dont know. But as it exists, ACORN is a very dangerous perversion of the system that needed to be stopped.
    Because it helped low income people who are more likely to vote dem makes it their political arm? Now who's spinning?

    You sound like a ****ing Truther or Birther.
    Sorry to disappoint, but no.

    ****.

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  • SpencerH
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    PS that last bit was just for the myopic left wing reactionaries here (not personal)

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  • SpencerH
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    Originally posted by Theben View Post
    This is why I wanted the video responses and follow-up from ACORN's side. The real actions displayed by the employees.



    I figured most of the employees decided these 2 were misfits that didn't need to be taken seriously or have had enough experience to know not to **** with a pimp in their presence. Tell them what they want to hear and get them out.
    Wonderful spin.

    Heres the problem, ACORN is not simply a not for profit organization that helps low income people, it is clearly a political arm of the dems that was receiving government funding. Perhaps they did some good work as a non-profit, I dont know. But as it exists, ACORN is a very dangerous perversion of the system that needed to be stopped.

    Anyhow, you know what they say in Russia.

    Toughski ****ski

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