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    Hate-speech law violates Charter rights, tribunal rules

    A federal law governing hate speech violates Canadians' charter rights to freedom of expression, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal has ruled.

    The development could give more ammunition to those who complain that the Canadian Human Rights Commission, which refers cases to the tribunal, is engaging in censorship by attempting to restrict what people say on the Internet.

    The decision, released in Ottawa Wednesday, also seems to call into question whether the tribunal should be involved at all in policing online content through Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act.

    “This case raises questions about the substance of the law itself,” said Michael Geist, a University of Ottawa law professor who holds the Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law. “This will only build the momentum for another examination of how we approach this.”

    At issue was a complaint lodged with the tribunal against Marc Lemire, webmaster of freedomsite.org. Ottawa lawyer Richard Warman alleged that the messages posted on the site were discriminatory and exposed minority groups to “hatred and contempt,” key language under Section 13 of the law.

    Mr. Lemire responded by requesting that the law be “declared inoperative” because it is inconsistent with the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Tribunal member Athanasios Hadjis agreed. He wrote in the ruling that the law was originally intended to be “remedial, preventative and conciliatory in nature,” rather than a means to hand out penalties.

    Section 13 defines it as “discriminatory” for an individual or group “to communicate telephonically or to cause to be so communicated … any matter that is likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt” based on characteristics such as race, religion, sexual orientation, and so on.

    Advocates call the law a necessary control on hate speech in an age where the Internet makes the spread of messages easier and faster. Opponents say it's censorship and has no place in a free society.

    The tribunal's decision, which will likely be appealed, is not binding beyond Mr. Lemire's case. However, it moves the debate forward, said University of Windsor law professor Richard Moon.

    “It creates a new situation in which all the different legal and political actors have to think about what their response is,” Prof. Moon said.

    In 2008, Prof. Moon wrote a report for the CHRC about the role of Section 13 in the Internet age that said the law should be repealed. He wrote that Internet use means that “any attempt to exclude all racial or other prejudice from the public discourse would require extraordinary intervention by the state.”

    But Mr. Warman, who brought the case, disagrees.

    “There is no unlimited right to speech,” he said. “The fact is, this was a hate website and it attracted hate.”

    Mr. Warman cited postings by a visitor to freedomsite.org that, in a separate case, the tribunal called “as vile as one can imagine and not only discriminatory, but threatening to the victims.”

    Mr. Lemire said webmasters are not responsible for content on message boards.

    “It's not for the state to … decide what beliefs we can have,” he said. “People shouldn't be put through a six-year-long hearing even if they're Nazis, even if they're communists, even if they're racists.”

    Bernie Farber, the CEO of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said all hate speech is a potential trigger.

    “Racist war, from the ethnic cleansing in Cambodia, to the Balkans, to Darfur, to the Holocaust, did not start in a vacuum,” he said.

    “Hateful words do have an effect. … The Internet cannot and should not be a wild frontier where anything goes.”
    Last edited by Asher; September 3, 2009, 13:52. Reason: Not enough talk about Lori's suppression of free speech
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    Subsequent posts should discuss the thread topic. My threadjack/edit has been moved to the closed thread forum.
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    "We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld

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    • #3
      Finally, freedom triumphs.

      When will Lemire receive the costs for his defense?
      Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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      • #4
        There's already a thread on this.

        Please close this thread.

        Thanks.
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          there are jews in canada?

          how many? like five?
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            Are you an idiot? The percentage of the population which is Jewish is higher in Canada than it is in any country other than Israel and the US.
            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
            Ultima Ratio Regum

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            • #7
              you have got to be the easiest person to troll on these forums
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                If you mean that your idiocy over the last 5 years has been a troll then congratulations. Otherwise, I don't buy it. ****.
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #9
                  dont be angry because you dont get it
                  To us, it is the BEAST.

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                  • #10
                    I get it. I don't buy it. Look it up, dude.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                      I get it. I don't buy it. Look it up, dude.
                      you see, being an intellectual twit isn't fun... you need to be angry at everything, and it basically sucks (I suspect you are very unhappy or else you wouldn't feel the need to engage in this catharsis)

                      my online persona is simply a reflection of what I see

                      i get more joy out of repeating the same stupid things I see and hear from people and exaggerating it in hopes that they will see how dumb they really are

                      this is helpful in two ways... I either force the retarded to change (which is rare), or I get to continually mock them while simultaneously garnering their favor

                      a side effect of this, as you have demonstrated, is that people who are not quite retarded, but yet not quite smart enough to realize I'm not serious, fall into the trap of "ARE YOU AN IDIOT? OMFG"

                      that can be fun too

                      you demonstrate a very poor social and emotional intelligence... one would think that after reading my posts for so long, you'd understand... you claim to, but your reactions say otherwise
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        ^sad example of "everything I say is a troll, didn't you know that?"^

                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
                        Ultima Ratio Regum

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                        • #13
                          Wait. Sava doesn't troll about everything?
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • #14
                            No. He's just a dumbass.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              Asher and Ben, sitting in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G...
                              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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