[Serious Thread] Assisted Suicide.

[Drake Tungsten]

From what I understand, the people of Germany, in a general statement, were appalled.

Michael Berenbaum writes that Germany became a "genocidal state." Every arm of the country's sophisticated bureaucracy was involved in the killing process. Parish churches and the Interior Ministry supplied birth records showing who was Jewish; the Post Office delivered the deportation and denaturalization orders; the Finance Ministry confiscated Jewish property; German firms fired Jewish workers and disenfranchised Jewish stockholders; the universities refused to admit Jews, denied degrees to those already studying, and fired Jewish academics; government transport offices arranged the trains for deportation to the camps; German pharmaceutical companies tested drugs on camp prisoners; companies bid for the contracts to build the crematoria; detailed lists of victims were drawn up using the Dehomag (IBM Germany) company's punch card machines, producing meticulous records of the killings. As prisoners entered the death camps, they were made to surrender all personal property, which was carefully catalogued and tagged before being sent to Germany to be reused or recycled. Berenbaum writes that the Final Solution of the Jewish question was "in the eyes of the perpetrators … Germany's greatest achievement."

Saul Friedländer writes that: "Not one social group, not one religious community, not one scholarly institution or professional association in Germany and throughout Europe declared its solidarity with the Jews.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

It doesn't surprise me to see you making excuses for the behavior of Nazi Germany.

[Kuciwalker]

Dude, you asked him where a source said "the death camps were legal" when HIS QUOTE OF THE SOURCE had the sentence "Auschwitz was lawful".

xpost again

[Drake Tungsten]

Dude, you asked him where a source said "the death camps were legal" when HIS QUOTE OF THE SOURCE had the sentence "Auschwitz was lawful".

xpost again

He obviously can't read, Kuci.

[KrazyHorse]

Watching "The Boys From Brazil" at the same time as I read this thread.

[Drake Tungsten]

I think NYE must've been one of the failed test clones.

[KrazyHorse]

He can be infuriating. But that may be a step too far.

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't know. This is honestly one of the poorest performances I've ever seen on Poly, which is saying a lot.

[KrazyHorse]

This is honestly one of the poorest performances I've ever seen on Poly

That's just because you have the right people on ignore.

[notyoueither]

Dude, you asked him where a source said "the death camps were legal" when HIS QUOTE OF THE SOURCE had the sentence "Auschwitz was lawful".

xpost again

I do not think that is what that article says.

I do not think that is what the author says.

I think the article and the author drop Auschwitz for effect.

The SS ran the death camps. The death camps didn't exist prior to ~1941. By that time the SS (and party) were a law unto themselves. They did not need any parliament nor courts to give them a blessing.

I'll return to my assertion that Germans themselves would have prosecuted these crimes without being proded.

I will also observe that those responsible for the death camps tried to obscure their existance and purpose.

Guilty minds.

[Drake Tungsten]

That's just because you have the right people on ignore.

I only started using the ignore list a few weeks ago. As such, I've seen plenty of retarded posts in my time, but NYE may have just taken the taco.

As a side note, why haven't they ever made a movie about this guy? Total badass...

[Kuciwalker]

I do not think that is what that article says.

I do not think that is what the author says.

IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE ON THIS PAGE.

A direct quote of the link:

For him, Auschwitz was “law-ful/full,” and rather than the extraordinariness of the Holocaust making it difficult to be judged in a court room, its ordinariness – its ordinary lawfulness – causes difficulties for law.

Seriously, I'm about to throw you in the BK box.

[notyoueither]

I do not think that is what that article says.

I do not think that is what the author says.

IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE ON THIS PAGE.

A direct quote of the author:

For him, Auschwitz was “law-ful/full,” and rather than the extraordinariness of the Holocaust making it difficult to be judged in a court room, its ordinariness – its ordinary lawfulness – causes difficulties for law.

Seriously, I'm about to throw you in the BK box.

Go ahead.

It would benfit you, since your reading comprehension is not very high and you will doubtless miss many nuances.

[notyoueither]

For him, Auschwitz was “law-ful/full,”

Pretty weak statement if you could trot out 'Deutsch Ordinance #1356' don't you think?

Is it because there was no such ordinance?

Auschwitz was the culmination of a system corrupted by a lawless group who coopted the legal system and in the end did anything they damn well pleased, with or without the law.

Discussing the legality of Auschwitz is to entirely miss the freeking point. It wasn't legal, but they could do it anyway because the Nazis had thouroughly corrupted the entire system from beat cop to Supreme Court Justice, or Peoples' Court if you prefer.

[Kuciwalker]

He posted that source, and you asked "Uhm. Where in there are death camps discussed?" That leaves two conclusions:

1) You didn't know Auschwitz was a death camp.
2) You didn't read his post.

Pick one, please.

[Jon Miller]

This doesn't seem to be about thread assisted suicide at all?

JM