So I tried searching for "We Play Civ"...

[Asher]

Please Asher, i'm sure you're not so narrow minded.

Artists don't get paid more than programmers for no reason.

What WORLD do you live on, Frosty...

[FrostyBoy]

Er... what? So many things wrong with this. Artists get paid more than programmers? Where? Not in the UK at equivalent level jobs.

Blackberry's suck? They are still the market leader in smartphones, despite increased competition because their functionality is much better than their rivals for business use.

Genuinely good web designers require pretty good technical skills, just as any good designer requires really good technical skills. They can be pretty well paid but your average photoshop monkey is 10 a penny, it's an incredibly popular career choice, loads of people want to do it and the pay is relatively low.

At the end of the day if an application looks nice but doesn't work it has no value. For business applications, which is what Asher and I make, functionality and business results are king, usability is very important as is how nice it looks, but at the end of the day if the user can get the results of the financial reports or whatever it is they require easily it doesn't matter what font or colour the numbers are in. This is true on the web too. It doesn't matter how nice the website looks if it doesn't work, and a really functional website, or one with great content will succeed even if it looks a bit ****.

eg. craigslist, twitter, myspace

You didn't quite get what I says mate.

[Asher]

You didn't quite get what I says mate.

Yes, that MUST be the problem. It is not fathomable that you are completely wrong and everyone disagrees with you.

[Asher]

FWIW, I make nearly twice the salary of the many graphics artists on my floor (and we have a lot of them, I work on the marketing floor), according to the job postings.

I'm also about ten years younger than most of them.

I basically go to them and say "hey, I need icons with this dimension and this functionality. Make it so." Occasionally I use their eye for aesthetics, but never for UI design itself which is a functional problem, not an artistic one.

[Nikolai]

I sure hope Asher is right, it would be so wrong if the graphics guys earned more than the programmers.

[MikeH]

I was confused by FrostyBoy's post as the last part contradicted the first part.

Did you mean "I can't see any reason why artists don't get paid more than programmers"? Rather than what you said, which means the opposite.

In which case, take my post as explaining why they don't.

[Asher]

I spent 5 minutes explaining to one of my artists why we can't use his "mouse over effect" icons on our iPhone and Palm Pre apps the other day. :|

[Japher]

If you explained it with a tack hammer it would have only taken you 1 minute.

[MikeH]

I spent 5 minutes explaining to one of my artists why we can't use his "mouse over effect" icons on our iPhone and Palm Pre apps the other day. :|

You should have passed him your iPhone and a mouse.

[Imran Siddiqui]

He's so dumb that he posts about it online though. If I cared enough to find her I would let her know what a creep she's about to marry.

Everyone knows that things posted on the interwebs are so private and no one can search for them

FrostyBoy, being a horrid human being, probably deserves someone finding his cash-cow.

[Asher]

You should have passed him your iPhone and a mouse.

Then I'd have to deal with his questions on how to plug it into the iPhone.

Not only are they artists, they're all Mac users and they're all completely devoid of any sense of humour.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I spent 5 minutes explaining to one of my artists why we can't use his "mouse over effect" icons on our iPhone and Palm Pre apps the other day. :|

[Asher]

I made the mistake of describing the touch-screen behaviour as "binary" before I realized the words I was using were too large. I ended up resorting to "it's like a light switch...it's touched or it's not touch, there's no mouseover states..."

[Japher]

what if they use an optical mouse!?

[rah]

I'm sure traffic will pick up over at the panda site after the highly touted civ convention this year. ooooppps
Just more proof that they may have over estimated their potiental audience.