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Does anybody actually believe that the Apollo Program was a good idea?
To be sure, Apollo was done in the least cost-effective manner possible. On the other hand, it's better to compete in war without tears. I'm not sure moving some money from the military missile column to the civil missile column wasn't warranted.
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In order for humanity to conquer the universe we're going to need a revolution in fundamental physics, not to spend a ****load of money perfecting primitive rocket tech.
That's a straw man, KH. Primitive rocket tech is more than good enough to conquer the solar system, f.e.
However, it should be noted that right now mostly we are living off of and building off of the investments of the 1950s and very early 1960s, not the Apollo program. Because of the fabulous expense, we threw away the Apollo technology.
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That's a straw man, KH. Primitive rocket tech is more than good enough to conquer the solar system, f.e.
But it would take for-****ing-ever. We need drives with higher specific impulses so that we don't have to rely on fuel-efficient but painfully slow transfer orbits.
They make good rockets. Better than ours. But like the US, they are living off the 50s and very early 60s technology.
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But it would take for-****ing-ever. We need drives with higher specific impulses so that we don't have to rely on fuel-efficient but painfully slow transfer orbits.
This doesn't make any sense. Chemical rocketry is low specific impulse, high thrust. Electrical propulsion is high specific impulse, low thrust. Because of this, if you want to do things quickly in the solar system, you rely on chemical rocketry.
Chemical rocketry is good. It works. Fuel efficiency is not very important for many aspects of conquering this solar system. For the the areas where chemical propulsion isn't optimal, the tech that we already have on electrical propulsion is more than sufficient.
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This doesn't make any sense. Chemical rocketry is low specific impulse, high thrust. Because of this, if you want to do things quickly in the solar system, you rely on chemical rocketry.
Chemical rocketry is good. It works. Fuel efficiency is not very important for conquering this solar system.
No, if you want to run out of fuel quickly, you use chemical rockets. If you want to sustain your thrust for longer periods of time and have a greater overall affect on your velocity, you need to use high specific impulse, low thrust engines like ion drives and the like.
Your complaint about chemical propulsion was that it would take a long time to do something. I pointed out that this was not so. If you want high thrust (do things quickly), rely on chemical propulsion. Simple.
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They make good rockets. Better than ours. But like the US, they are living off the 50s and very early 60s technology.
Right. They've beaten us at one thing, the initial man in space.
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Er, my problem with chemical propulsion is that the enormous amount of fuel required to produce the thrust necessary to deviate from a Hohmann transfer orbit makes traveling to the outer planets extremely expensive. If you want to get to outer planets quickly, you need to use a fuel efficient engine to keep cost and weight down.
It's not just the initial launch, Sloww. The Russian rockets are much safer and less expensive than anything we've built.
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The Russian rockets are much safer and less expensive than anything we've built.
Cheaper yes. Safer? No.
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How 'bout we use the money we send to Israel every year?
unironically supporting this. too bad it would get you very little.
I think you should let us manage your space program alltogether, we're rather ... frugal.
"We already waste a bunch of money on X so it doesn't matter if we waste a bunch of money on Y" is not a valid argument.
Do you have a bunch of maxed out credit cards, by the way?
It's not. It's (sort of) a political realities issue. The US public would never agree to to use this money for covering debt or something like improvement of education. I think such a solution for actually creating something productive, for engagement in a space race is good propoganda.
Look how it works for the US military - they are spending money on development and construction of platforms destined to find an enemy that doesn't exist. If one uses this leverage, and keeps talking about a future scenario where the chinese colonize the Moon, Mars, or Alpha Centauri, you might as well see a divertment of funds, to prevent the slant-eyes from winning.
NASA just doesn't know how to press the right buttons. They are trying to pander to the nerd nieche, when they should be fear-mongering like the rest of them.
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