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    How Would a Modern Moon Landing Play Today?
    Forty years after the first manned moon landing on July 20, 1969, SPACE.com asked Apollo astronauts and leaders of the space community to ponder the past, present and future. The Apollo 11 mission launched toward the moon 40 years ago today, and noted Apollo author and historian Andrew Chaikin — co-author of the new book "Voices from the Moon" — wonders how Americans might view the historic flight if it was happening right now:

    Here's a question: If Apollo 11 were happening right now, how long would we pay attention? Forty years ago, the TV networks — all three of them -followed every phase of the mission. On July 20, 1969 they went on the air with 30 straight hours of uninterrupted coverage of Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin's "giant leap for mankind."

    For a 13-year-old space nut like me, it was nirvana: I spent most of that 30 hours parked in front of the TV with my maps of the moon, models of the spacecraft, and articles about the mission, my own little "mission control" in the den. But I had the sense that the whole country, even the world, was sharing the excitement of witnessing a turning point in human history.

    That feeling didn't last long. In November 1969, on the day after Apollo 12 astronauts Pete Conrad and Alan Bean made their own lunar touchdown, the New York Times ran a story entitled, "Second Moon Visit Stirs Less Public Excitement."

    In the article, one of the quotes from man-on-the-street interviews around the country brought home just how fickle Americans can be: "It's old hat; it's not like the first time." Looking at that clipping now, I can hardly believe it: You were already bored?! And that trend continued even as the Apollo missions got more ambitious, and the live TV pictures from the lunar surface got better and better with each new landing. By the time of the final Apollo moonwalks, on the Apollo 17 mission in December 1972, the networks no longer covered the moonwalks in their entirety. We had already stopped watching.

    Today, we are submerged in a 24/7 onslaught of information in which everything is interrupted by something else, when "breaking news" banners fill our screens with mind-scrambling frequency. In the midst of this deluge, would even the words "live from the moon" be able to rise above the noise for very long? I'm not so sure.

    In any case, I'm much more aware of how strange it feels to look back at Apollo from where we are today. Who would have predicted that in 2009 we would have to go back 40 years to find the most futuristic thing humans have ever done? Apollo 17 commander Gene Cernan has said that it is as if John Kennedy reached into the 21st century, grabbed a decade of time, and spliced it neatly into the 1960s and 70s. Ever since then, I've been waiting to see us get back to where we were in 1972.

    Now, in the midst of the real 21st century, none of us can say when humans will go back to the moon — or what language they will speak when they get there. If Chinese taikonauts become the next lunar explorers, will we be spurred to action, or shrug it off? Or will we have somehow risen above our differences and found a way to go back to the moon together?

    Call me naïve, call me just another aging Baby Boomer who can't let go of the past. But I firmly believe that Apollo was just the first chapter in a story of exploration that has no end, and will continue as long as humans are alive. And I still want to believe that when humans do return to the moon to follow in the Apollo astronauts' lunar footsteps, it will have more of an impact than many people now realize.

    At last we'll be able to leave behind the cacophony of our TVs, cell phones, and Blackberrys and stand in stillness under a clear night sky, looking up at the moon and knowing that we are seeing humanity's farthest outpost. We'll gaze on that bright neighbor world and know that people are living and working there, seeing what no one has ever seen and discovering what no one has ever known, and solving the enormous challenges of making us a truly spacefaring species. And we'll wonder what took us so long.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,533539,00.html

    I thought this was really inspirational. I personally adore the idea of leaving our atmosphere and to explore the expanse of the universe that no humans have ever been to before. To stand on a world and look passed to the next one. To extend our great empire out the stars. So why is it that after the 70's we turned around and said, "meh enough of space lets focus on destroying Earth"? Why has mankind been so against further space travel? Why have we only focused on the terrestrial and are so opposed to the space faring?
    I know I am not alone with the idea that we should already have asteroid mining and moon colonies, but why is there so few of us?
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    It was a huge deal. A lot of discussion about who would descend the ladder first.
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    • #3
      It's a shame. I'd love to say that my parents generation were the ones that took the inspiration and ran with it and continued on with space exploration, but sadly, that's not the case. They've had what, 40 years to act on the same dreams that the grew up with and done nothing.

      I only hope that mine can do better.
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      • #4
        Free Earth!
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        • #5
          Free beer!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            It's a shame. I'd love to say that my parents generation were the ones that took the inspiration and ran with it and continued on with space exploration, but sadly, that's not the case. They've had what, 40 years to act on the same dreams that the grew up with and done nothing.

            I only hope that mine can do better.
            There was only so much they could learn from moon rocks, so NASA turned its attention to orbital work. We now have weather satillites, a Global Positioning System, etc.

            Still, a moon based would be nice. Or an L-5 base. Or a base on one of Mars's moons. Or a mining base in the asteroids. Something. We need to go boldly where none have gone before.

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            • #7
              I watched this thing on Discovery Channel a few months ago that did a speculation about asteroid mining. Apparently there is one named asteroid in our asteroid belt, one of those mega asteroids thats like a mini moon has almost 10x the amount of iron resources than Earth as a whole has. Now imagine, all these floating rocks out there and even a small one has great amounts of minerals and Earth is running dry.....so what do we do? Not a damn thing. What should we do? Mine those suckers!
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              • #8
                It's much more efficient to keep fusing lighter elements until you get iron, or to keep splitting heavier elements until you get iron. Throw enough energy at enough matter and you can't not get iron.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by zakubandit View Post
                  I watched this thing on Discovery Channel a few months ago that did a speculation about asteroid mining. Apparently there is one named asteroid in our asteroid belt, one of those mega asteroids thats like a mini moon has almost 10x the amount of iron resources than Earth as a whole has. Now imagine, all these floating rocks out there and even a small one has great amounts of minerals and Earth is running dry.....so what do we do? Not a damn thing. What should we do? Mine those suckers!
                  What makes you think Earth is running out of iron, when even perfectly abundant iron ranges are being neglected for purely economic reasons?
                  Unbelievable!

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                  • #10
                    one of those mega asteroids thats like a mini moon has almost 10x the amount of iron resources than Earth as a whole has.
                    I wonder how scientists know how much iron is inside an asteroid without ever having been there to run tests.

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                    • #11
                      My guess is that they've figured out its density and it's approximately that of iron.
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                      • #12
                        You bounce various kinds of light off the surface. Signals that you get are compared to known samples, and you can figure out the surface composition. The process is known as spectroscopy. And the surface would tend to be less dense than the interior (for energetic reasons), so treating the composition as the surface should give you a rough lower bound for the whole.
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                        • #13
                          Apparently there is one named asteroid in our asteroid belt, one of those mega asteroids thats like a mini moon has almost 10x the amount of iron resources than Earth as a whole has.


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                          • #14
                            Hey, I didn't pull that stuff out of my ass it was what I saw. There are minerals that we could get from asteroids, that isn't hard to believe. And a plus side, as I see it, is that all those mines we have on Earth now can be shut down, then teach those workers that want to how to mine in space, the Earth heals itself, areas for people to live open up, etc. But thats just me.

                            How about the other benefits of space travel, like say an extra-orbital solar power plant. There was something I saw, it was that crazy Japanese scientist with the big hair, about solar energy being beamed via radiowaves *like charging your phone wireless-ly*. So image these power plants orbiting out of Earth's true orbit but still synchronous with us to always be generating energy from direct orientation with the sun. Set up enough to power the planet and boom, no fossil fuels for power plants. *This wouldn't work because big oil/gas/etc. would lose money*
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                            • #15
                              Hey, I didn't pull that stuff out of my ass it was what I saw


                              You should always verify anything you see and hear on the "educational" channels. They quite often throw out fantastic ideas as fact.

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