North Korea warns of nuclear war amid rising tensions

[Heraclitus]

So should we continue on until they catch up? Are they closing the gap?

Missed the part where I said "reform goverment"? Make NK a capitalist state (preferably not democratic since capitalism works better that way) for 30 or so years and they should have gained a lot of ground.

[Wezil]

Missed the part where I said "reform goverment"? Make NK a capitalist state (preferably not democratic since capitalism works better that way) for 30 or so years and they should have gained a lot of ground.

Should I hold my breath waiting for that ("reform government") to happen?

Reunification gets more difficult with time, not easier.

[zakubandit]

UN disbanding is a better idea because countries can govern themselves. The first step to a New World Order, One Government World is the UN. I am sorry but as an American I will never follow what some elitist from some other country is telling me to do. And why would a UN type structure have to be in place of the UN? Thats the same thing. EU has 30% of the UN because the EU is most of Europe. Security Council seats were given to the super powers at the time. I say the US should just pull out completely, UN is a waste of US tax dollars.

[Felch]

NK has a right to its liberty, the US/UN have no right to tell the NK people how to run their country.

Certainly not the Unites States, which has been on the warpath invading innocent countries for the better part of the 21st century.

NK is not threatening anyone, they are reacting defensively to aggressive measures from others.

North Korea has a right to its liberty, but it isn't exercising that right. Are you saying that Kim Jung Il has a right to a personal fiefdom?

The 21st century has been going on for less than ten years. Eight of those years we had W. Sorry about that.

By the way, check out the DPRK's press and you'll see them threatening everybody quite often.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200906/news13/20090613-10ee.html

First: The whole amount of the newly extracted plutonium will be weaponized.

More than one third of the spent fuel rods has been reprocessed to date.

Second: The process of uranium enrichment will be commenced.

Pursuant to the decision to build its own light-water reactor, enough success has been made in developing uranium enrichment technology to provide nuclear fuel to allow the experimental procedure.

Third: An attempted blockade of any kind by the U.S. and its followers will be regarded as an act of war and met with a decisive military response.

No mater how hard the U.S.-led hostile forces may try all sorts of isolation and blockade, the DPRK, a proud nuclear power, will not flinch from them.

It is the Songun idea-based mode of counter-action for the DPRK to decisively counter "sanctions" with retaliation and "confrontation" with all-out confrontation.

Bear in mind that "blockade" means "not giving us fuel oil and food." Sounds like a real peace loving country there.

Also, don't forget that the DPRK kidnapped Americans and is forcing them into slavery.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200906/news16/20090616-23ee.html

A trial of the accused was held at the Pyongyang City Court from June 4 to 8.

At the trial the accused admitted that what they did were criminal acts committed, prompted by the political motive to isolate and stifle the socialist system of the DPRK by faking up moving images aimed at falsifying its human rights performance and hurling slanders and calumnies at it.

In the name of the DPRK the Central Court determined ten years of hard labor according to Provision 69 of the Criminal Code and four years of hard labor according to Provision 233 of the Criminal Code for the accused Laura Ling and Seung-Un Lee and sentenced them to 12 years of hard labor according to Provision 44 of the Criminal Code.

The prison term is counted from March 22, 2009, when the accused were detained and it was pronounced that the judgment is unappealable.

[Pinchak]

Why the CIA doesn't just take out Kim Jon is beyond me.

Or perhaps just tomahawk his palace?

It's not like the rest of the world would be upset. We tried this stuff with Saddam and he wasn't even threating anyone.

[Felch]

We probably tried it on Saddam because he wasn't threatening anyone. If he had artillery pointed at Israeli cities, we would never have invaded.

[SlowwHand]

Do you remember ever hearing about scud missles?

[Felch]

I remember that you were more likely to be struck by lightening than hit by one.

There's a significant difference between medium range rockets and the howitzers NK has pointed at Seoul. For one thing, those howitzers ignore city walls!

[Wezil]

Also, don't forget that the DPRK kidnapped Americans and is forcing them into slavery.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200906/news16/20090616-23ee.html

Do you think they were lost?

You may think the punishment is too severe (I do) but I don't think they were blameless.

[Felch]

What do you think they did wrong?

Ten years of hard labor in a DPRK prison is essentially a death sentence.

Ten years, for allegedly crossing a border. For all we know, the DPRK may have crossed the river into China to kidnap them. Without a real trial we have no way of knowing. We do know that the DPRK is led by a criminal regime that has a history of kidnapping foreigners.

[SlowwHand]

At the trial the accused admitted that what they did were criminal acts committed, prompted by the political motive to isolate and stifle the socialist system of the DPRK by faking up moving images aimed at falsifying its human rights performance and hurling slanders and calumnies at it.

Horse****.

[Wezil]

What do you think they did wrong?

Illegal entry into an authoritarian country. "Kidnapped"?

Ten years of hard labor in a DPRK prison is essentially a death sentence.

Yeah, it's bad. Not quite as bad as capital punishment (as some countries find acceptable), but definitely bad. I already said I thought the punishment was too harsh.

Ten years, for allegedly crossing a border. For all we know, the DPRK may have crossed the river into China to kidnap them. Without a real trial we have no way of knowing. We do know that the DPRK is led by a criminal regime that has a history of kidnapping foreigners.

Ah, so the kidnapped is your allegation.

I'm no fan of the NK regime as my posts on this forum would show but your initial post was over the top (hence the ).

[Felch]

I wonder if they realize that we can just use Photoshop to falsify whatever we want. No need to break into the DPRK just to slander it.

[HalfLotus]

North Korea has a right to its liberty, but it isn't exercising that right. Are you saying that Kim Jung Il has a right to a personal fiefdom?

The 21st century has been going on for less than ten years. Eight of those years we had W. Sorry about that.

By the way, check out the DPRK's press and you'll see them threatening everybody quite often.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200906/news13/20090613-10ee.html

First: The whole amount of the newly extracted plutonium will be weaponized.

More than one third of the spent fuel rods has been reprocessed to date.

Second: The process of uranium enrichment will be commenced.

Pursuant to the decision to build its own light-water reactor, enough success has been made in developing uranium enrichment technology to provide nuclear fuel to allow the experimental procedure.

Third: An attempted blockade of any kind by the U.S. and its followers will be regarded as an act of war and met with a decisive military response.

No mater how hard the U.S.-led hostile forces may try all sorts of isolation and blockade, the DPRK, a proud nuclear power, will not flinch from them.

It is the Songun idea-based mode of counter-action for the DPRK to decisively counter "sanctions" with retaliation and "confrontation" with all-out confrontation.

Bear in mind that "blockade" means "not giving us fuel oil and food." Sounds like a real peace loving country there.

Also, don't forget that the DPRK kidnapped Americans and is forcing them into slavery.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2009/200906/news16/20090616-23ee.html

A trial of the accused was held at the Pyongyang City Court from June 4 to 8.

At the trial the accused admitted that what they did were criminal acts committed, prompted by the political motive to isolate and stifle the socialist system of the DPRK by faking up moving images aimed at falsifying its human rights performance and hurling slanders and calumnies at it.

In the name of the DPRK the Central Court determined ten years of hard labor according to Provision 69 of the Criminal Code and four years of hard labor according to Provision 233 of the Criminal Code for the accused Laura Ling and Seung-Un Lee and sentenced them to 12 years of hard labor according to Provision 44 of the Criminal Code.

The prison term is counted from March 22, 2009, when the accused were detained and it was pronounced that the judgment is unappealable.

I'm no fan of Kim Jong, but it's up to the Korean people to work that out. I don't see him as an aggressive threat, though.

The first quote you have, I don't see any threats. Making weapons is not a threat, defensive nuclear deterrence is a valid posture for a nation to take.

And the second thing about kidnapping, that is very unfortunate, and sounds a lot like the U.S policy of rounding up Arabs and detaining them indefinitely at Gitmo and CIA 'black sites' without charges, legal representation, or humane treatment.

[Felch]

Illegal entry into an authoritarian country. "Kidnapped"?

You're taking North Korea's word at face value. I trust the Current TV people's story when they say that their people were in China. Frankly I trust Gore more than Kim. But that's just me.

Yeah, it's bad. Not quite as bad as capital punishment (as some countries find acceptable), but definitely bad. I already said I thought the punishment was too harsh.

It essentially is capital punishment. Survival rates in their prison system are said to be very low. But you're too self-righteous about your America bashing to give a **** about a couple reporters who are being slowly tortured and murdered.

Ah, so the kidnapped is your allegation.

I'm no fan of the NK regime as my posts on this forum would show but your initial post was over the top (hence the ).

Kidnapping is my allegation based on what Current TV was saying, and North Korea's history of kidnapping people. It's hardly a baseless accusation.

Go ahead and yuck it up. But I'm not from the same country as Ben Kenobi.