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  • #91
    A lot of Iranians have issues with the English language. What a droll observation.

    If you were serious, the Basiji are volunteer militia for the revolutionary guard, the guys responsible for the most of the violence.
    "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
    -Bokonon

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    • #92
      OK, it's highly non-obvious what the antecedents are throughout much of that. Thanks. So, basically, Mousavi supporters are attacking the Basiji?

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      • #93
        Yes.
        "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
        -Bokonon

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        • #94
          Originally posted by DanS View Post
          What do y'all make of this...



          http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1
          The evidence is circumstancial but seems probably the Khamenei-Ahmadingdong alliance did cheat and the protesters are battling what's essentially a coup.

          Iran Expert Afshin Molavi: 'Khamenei Has Never Seen a Crisis Like This'
          http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,631364,00.html
          This week's protests in Iran are truly unprecedented, says Iran expert Afshin Molavi in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. The demonstrators come from all walks of life and from across the country. Discontent with Tehran's hardline leadership is widespread.


          SPIEGEL ONLINE: ...because they feel cheated. Were they?

          Molavi: That is the main reason people went out onto the streets. They felt that they were a victim of massive fraud -- that their vote did not count. They did not go to the streets for a revolution. The case for a massive fraud is overwhelming. Let's make no mistake: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has a base. But on election day, the results of 40 million ballots were announced within an hour of polls closing. Hand counting 40 million ballots? In addition, security services surrounded the offices of Ahmadinejad's main opponent Mir Hossein Mousavi. They shut down Mousavi Web sites. They jailed hundreds of Mousavi supporters the next day. However, as the crowds grow, so do the demands, and what started out as protest with the slogan "where is my vote?" has morphed into something larger, reflecting a generalized discontent with the order of things.

          SPIEGEL ONLINE: It also seems as though it is no longer just like a battle of the people against the regime, but also a battle within the regime itself.

          Molavi: The analysis in Tehran is that this was a coup perpetrated by supporters of the "new guard" of revolutionary elite, many of whom hail from the security and intelligence services. Over the past four years, Ahmadinejad has appointed former Revolutionary Guard members and former security officials to key positions. Facing them is the "old guard," consisting of influential figures like former President Ali Akbar Rafsanjani, Khatami, and Mousavi. The clerics are divided, too. Rafsanjani already went to talk to the major clerics and likely warned them that the current turmoil is highly dangerous for the country and for them personally. The interesting thing is: Rafsanjani is also chairman of the Assembly of Experts, 83 clerics theoretically authorized to appoint or remove the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who holds a strong grip on power. This internal struggle is the most serious ever faced by the Islamic Republic.
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          • #95
            Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
            OK, it's highly non-obvious what the antecedents are throughout much of that. Thanks. So, basically, Mousavi supporters are attacking the Basiji?
            With reason.
            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
            "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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            • #96
              Something else...

              SPIEGEL ONLINE: US President Barack Obama has remained largely silent thus far. Is that a politically intelligent move or rather cold-hearted?

              Molavi: I think the Obama administration should not actively take a political side in the internal struggle. However, it should speak out against egregious human rights violations. Their initial reaction has been a little too tepid. But in my view, it is not just about Obama: I get the sense from Iranian cyberspace that they are very keen on hearing from global civil society. They want people around the world to stand in solidarity with them. One idea floating around is that people from Berlin, Paris, London, Cairo, or Washington, or wherever in the world, do one simple thing: wear green, which was the color of Mousavi's campaign, and has become the color of justice for Iranians. I think global civil society will have a far bigger impact than Obama could.
              Fuggedaboutit. The self-proclaimed socially conscious are too busy drooling over hooligans in their struggle against the fascist Greek regime over a ricocheted bullet.
              Last edited by Colon™; June 20, 2009, 05:02.
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              • #97
                Things seem to be coming to a head:

                11:20 AM ET -- More reports of killings. Via Voice of American Iran:

                -- "Mahsa from Tehran:I was in the rally today and police forces in Azadi square cruelly killed people and all my body is wounded"

                -- "From Iran: I am home since 10 minute and Basij forces and police were killing young people like animals"
                11:43 AM ET -- An Iranian-American talks to Iran contacts: "worth noting people in iran are hearing that others are coming out to join. people are leaving work now and going to join."
                Iran Demonstrations: Violent Clashes Between Protestors And Riot Police (VIDEO)
                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/13/iran-demonstrations-viole_n_215189.html
                I'm filtering through the flood of videos, tweets, and news updates coming in from Iran. Check in for the latest.
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                • #98
                  Good luck to them.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • #99
                    Lots of stories: a suicide bombing at Khomeini's tomb, protesters getting sprayed with boiling water, Mousavi making a public speech... impossible to verify, but it seems protesters aren't backing down after hours of violence by riot police and basij.

                    11:47 AM ET -- More from Twitter: "Crowd rushing to Jihoun St, where people are saying Mousavi is there and talking with protesters"

                    Protesters in Revolution sq r chanting: Goftim agar taghalob besheh basatetoon jam misheh!! "We told u if u cheat it'll be the end of u"
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                    • #100
                      These people are an inspiration.
                      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                      • #101
                        They are an inspiration, but I wish they had better organization. The gov't appears to be winning the organization battle.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #102
                          Perhaps, but things are far from decided.

                          12:26 PM ET -- Mousavi martyrdom. A message on Mousavi's official Facebook page "confirms he is on the streets and has 'washed in readiness to be martyred,'" a Farsi speaker emails.
                          A video of police retreating:



                          Translation by Nikta:

                          [Policemen retreating from the crowds. Cameraman repeats what the people in the streets are yelling: "Marg bar Khameini"]

                          “The cops ran into the garage.” Laughter.

                          “Who are they cursing? Marg bar Khameni? Wow, the people.”

                          “The wave of trash are now coming.”

                          “Looks like they have [indiscernible]

                          (It can be assumed that the people taking the video do not view the demonstrators highly.)
                          Other videos that look certain to be from today:



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                          • #103
                            There are some truly disturbing videos on Youtube. Search Tehran and sort by most recent.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #104

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                              • #105
                                Young girl being killed by plainclothes

                                http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0db_1245519048


                                Basij are shooting people on the streets. People are dying

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