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  • #31
    Choice always existed, Dry. You're deluding yourself.

    Shipping every Windows copy with a browser enables the user to choose between ALL browsers.

    Shipping Windows without one means users are restricted in their choice to whatever they have available on physical mediums already. Restricts choice!

    The excuse that now OEMs can bundle browsers with the OS is naive at best. Have you ever purchased a computer from an OEM? I'm sure you have. Do you know their business model? They sell the apps they bundle to the highest bidder. This does not promote consumer choice. I guarantee you, you're going to start to see "branded" browsers from OEMs and you're also going to see ad-supported browsers from the Euro budget manufacturers.

    CHOICE

    Re: the last quote there -- the browser is still integrated into the OS (Trident rendering engine). All they've removed is the iexplorer.exe shell for it.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by dannubis View Post
      Not that I care either way, but can't firefox's basic engine not be shipped on the disk ?

      And @ Asher: go blow yourself.
      I would answer your first question, but you choose instead to be a douchey stereotypical European with your attack on me so I'm sure if you put your collective brains together you can figure this out.
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      • #33
        yes, I am huggable that way. Don't strain your back
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        • #34
          As for why 'choice' leads to less Europeans on the internet...consider this: You install Windows on a new PC, it has no browser. No browser, no way to download it from the internet!

          As history has shown, Europeans are both technologically inept and massively stupid. Not including a browser from the start will assuredly perplex the vast majority of Euros. They will not understand how to get on the intertubes, and they'll just end up giving up and killing the European internet.
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          • #35
            I hate IE, but this is just plain stupid. 99% of all customers will just sit there and wait for a browser to fall down from heaven. I read a comment on another site that "people can just do as I did back in the Win95 days: Use a FTP client and download from there. Sure, a little tinkering, but nothing much." I mean, seriously. Most people don't know what FTP is. Way to go for MS and the EU to destroy a monopoly.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by Asher View Post
              As for why 'choice' leads to less Europeans on the internet...consider this: You install Windows on a new PC, it has no browser. No browser, no way to download it from the internet!

              As history has shown, Europeans are both technologically inept and massively stupid. Not including a browser from the start will assuredly perplex the vast majority of Euros. They will not understand how to get on the intertubes, and they'll just end up giving up and killing the European internet.
              QFT...
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              • #37
                You don't need a web browser to get firefox on Vista, you can download it via ftp on the command line.

                eg. http://dotnetwizard.net/hacks/downlo...-touching-ie7/

                They aren't taking that out of Windows 7 AFAIK.

                Maybe Canadians just aren't technologically aware enough to know how to do that.
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                • #38
                  Canadians are smart enough to recognize if someone knows how to use FTP, then they'll be able to get firefox and are not what is being discussed.

                  More accurately, we are discussing Europeans which are incapable of using such complex protocols such as FTP.

                  I actually have scripts to pull specific daily Firefox builds from the Mozilla servers for testing purposes. Using FTP.

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                  • #39
                    you think ftp is complex?
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                    • #40
                      BTW. I agree this is retarded, it always was.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by MikeH View Post
                        you think ftp is complex?
                        The most simple of tasks are complex for Europeans. FTP would be too complex for most of them.
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                        • #42
                          It's just because we're drunk.
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                          • #43
                            True, but how likely is that to change anytime soon?
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                            • #44
                              People still use IE????
                              Blah

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                              • #45
                                Sure, we're stupid and inept, but that's because we don't have to prove anything like insecure colonials.

                                We could conquer the world (again) if we just got out of bed before noon, but we have nothing to prove. We're Europeans, the master race. *sips on a small cup of tar black coffee and lights up a cigarette*

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