Abortion Doctor Gunned Down at Church

[SlowwHand]

It was an individual. Maybe I'm a poor dumb bastard, but this isn't the defining moment.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Enter the Goddess of Irony:

I guarantee --I gar-awn-TEE -- that this will be treated by a terrorist act by the Feds, even if they don't acknowledge it as such. Pro-Life and Christian extremists, both individuals and groups, will be place under surveillance, phones will be tapped, electronic communication will be monitored -- all courtesy of the of the robustly-more-intrusive national security apparatus built by George W. Bush, the one president wholeheartedly embraced by fundies.

Not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong. Just saying I really love me my irony.

[Imran Siddiqui]

And I thought late-term abortions were outlawed in the first place?

Nope. Though there have been attempts. The Courts have struck them down for being too restrictive.

[Drake Tungsten]

Pro-Life and Christian extremists, both individuals and groups, will be place under surveillance, phones will be tapped, electronic communication will be monitored -- all courtesy of the of the robustly-more-intrusive national security apparatus built by George W. Bush, the one president wholeheartedly embraced by fundies.

[OzzyKP]

Nope. Though there have been attempts. The Courts have struck them down for being too restrictive.

Kennedy, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas, and Alito seem to say otherwise:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0419/p01s03-usju.html

[Darius871]

Enter the Goddess of Irony:

I guarantee --I gar-awn-TEE -- that this will be treated by a terrorist act by the Feds, even if they don't acknowledge it as such. Pro-Life and Christian extremists, both individuals and groups, will be place under surveillance, phones will be tapped, electronic communication will be monitored -- all courtesy of the of the robustly-more-intrusive national security apparatus built by George W. Bush, the one president wholeheartedly embraced by fundies.

Not saying it's right, not saying it's wrong. Just saying I really love me my irony.

Wouldn't it be equally ironic that Mr. ****-don't-stink would be the one perpetuating that apparatus? Oh wait, it wouldn't anyway, since he voted for the FISA Amendments Act to begin with.

[DaShi]

Pro-life

Pro-life is murder!

[Felch]

How exactly are these Christian hate groups not terrorists? I would really like to know.

Terrorists have dark skin, wear towels on their heads, and speak some weird jibber jabber.

Good question though. I'm glad I was able to help you out with it.

[OzzyKP]

[MrFun]

So nice to see that pro-lifers really do value human life except for those they disagree with.

[SlowwHand]

Nobody said it was right.

[MrFun]

And I didn't say that I was being serious.

[SlowwHand]

You are such a rodent.

[Gatekeeper]

Everyone:

WRT late-term abortions, here's something that often weighs on my mind: A lot of people say they're pro-life and whatnot, which is admirable. But does that sentiment remain firmly in place when it comes to one's wallet?

From what I understand, most (but not all) of late-term abortions are done because it's determined that the fetus cannot survive outside the womb or, if it can, would lead a life that would be far, far from enjoyable. IOW, it would cost society a lot of money in order not only to keep that child medically sound, but to also keep its parents out of the poorhouse.

Let's say late-term abortion is outlawed across the board. Babies with birth defects are born by the thousands, many into households that cannot afford them or, worse, simply don't love them enough to give a damn to spend the time and money it would take to properly raise a child with "special needs."

Would we, as a society, be willing to step forward and pay whatever it takes to ensure that those children could lead as full of lives as medically possible? Would we be willing to pay more in taxes, fees and whatnot in order to keep the mothers and fathers of those children out of the aforementioned poorhouse?

I ask because I suspect the answers would expose the true pro-life people from those who are simply pro-life on the surface.

As for me, well, I don't like abortion. But, darn it, I don't like nanny-state government, either. If folks don't want to deal with an unintended pregnancy, either use protection, adopt the child out or wait until one's in a solid relationship before engaging in a sexual relationship.

One thing's for sure: Abortion is far from being a black-and-white topic. It's painfully sensitive, IMO.

Gatekeeper

[Drake Tungsten]

Why would anyone complain about giving tax money to pay for the care of disabled children when we're already giving tax money to support the goddamn Baby Boomers in a retirement they didn't prepare for?