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    Reports: Chrysler to Go Bankrupt, GM to Kill Pontiac Monday

    The American auto industry has a tough road ahead before it can hope for recovery

    GM and Chrysler have hit rock bottom. Burning through bailout money and hounded by creditors and union retirees alike, the companies are facing a fight for survival. After both companies had their most recent bailout plans rejected, and were ordered to make vast changes, both companies have struggled to meet their deadlines. And despite recent reports that the government is finally going to offer some more bailout cash, both companies still appear to be teetering on the brink for disaster.

    Chrysler, according to a report by The New York Times, is preparing a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing under government supervision, and will likely file as early as Monday. The government had offered Chrysler $6B USD in loans if it could complete a merger deal with Fiat, but Fiat has refused to commit to such a deal until the UAW makes steep concessions (which appears unlikely) or the company washes its debts via bankruptcy. The deadline for the merger is next Thursday, but the government may give Chrysler an extension if it files for bankruptcy protection.

    The government has reached a deal with the U.A.W., whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected under the bankruptcy filing, as well. This clears the way for such a filing.

    The only obstacle that remains are the creditors, mostly banks (JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs), to which Chrysler owes $6.9B USD. The creditors have thus far only offered to exchange $2B USD of the debt for a 40 percent stake in the company, a proposal which Chrysler flatly rejected. However, a bankruptcy could wipe them out entirely. A bankruptcy would also likely wipe out the interests of Chrysler's current owner, Cerberus Capital Management, which bought Chrysler from Daimler in 2007.

    A Chrysler bankruptcy could rock the supply chain, causing difficulties for Ford and Chrysler as well. Fortunately it comes around the time of the summer shutdowns that occur frequently in the automotive industry's bad years.

    Meanwhile, GM also fights for its life. In GM's case, it hopes to avoid bankruptcy by slashing brands and dramatic restructuring. According to automotive site Inside Line, a source and GM says that the company will officially kill the Pontiac brand on Monday. The brand is currently labeled a "niche brand". The announcement would reduce GM's brands to four -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick. It would end the careers of such muscle car legends as the Pontiac GTO and Firebird. It would also end the young career of the Pontiac G8, which drew strong reviews and revived interest in the brand.

    A request for official confirmation from GM, was met with spokesman Tom Wilkson stating, "There's nothing I can share with you at this time. Keep your eyes on our media site. Officially, nothing has changed with Pontiac's niche-brand status, until you hear differently."

    While the automotive industry is clearly in a world of trouble, they aren't going down without a fight. And if the latest news from GM and Chrysler are any indication, the companies are willing to do whatever it takes to keep fighting till the bitter end.
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    I doubt GM has hit rock bottom yet.

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    • #3
      Pontiac, Saturn, and likely Saab will die, but Hummer will likely live on?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Q Classic View Post
        Pontiac, Saturn, and likely Saab will die, but Hummer will likely live on?
        Yes, next summer, look for the Hummer Hybrid. It gets 4 gallons to the mile, a huge improvement by this forward thinking titan of industry.

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        • #5
          The military still uses it. Question is. how well those ugly civilian models sell?

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          • #6
            Why kill Pontiac and not Buick? Does anyone buy Buicks at all?
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            • #7
              Old people like to buy Buick land yachts for some reason. Seems to be popular car for some lowrider enthusiasts too.

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              • #8
                That's foresight.

                Hasta la vista Chrysler.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Riesstiu IV View Post
                  The military still uses it. Question is. how well those ugly civilian models sell?
                  If I recall correctly, the only thing the H2 and H3 have in common with the military's Hummers is the name. The actual HMMV (or whatever) is made by some company not GM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by onodera View Post
                    Why kill Pontiac and not Buick? Does anyone buy Buicks at all?
                    Buick is big in China (seriously).
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Q Classic View Post
                      If I recall correctly, the only thing the H2 and H3 have in common with the military's Hummers is the name. The actual HMMV (or whatever) is made by some company not GM.
                      H2 and H3 are based off of the Yukon or something else.
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                      • #12
                        I'm pretty sure that the HMMV is a GM product, but from one of it's military divisions. Could be wrong, though.

                        Edit: I am wrong. Apparently, the HMMWV was built by AM General (which I thought was owned by GM, but isn't). AM General licensed the Hummer name to GM but still built the H1 and H2 civilian models. The H3 is built directly by GM.
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                        • #13
                          HMMV is produced by AM General.


                          AM General is owned by MacAndrews & Forbes Holdings: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacAndr...orbes_Holdings

                          GM just owns the Hummer name.
                          AM General, which remains an independent company and government and military contractor, sold the rights to the Hummer name to General Motors in 1999 but continues to build the vehicles for GM, except for the H3 which is assembled in GM factories.
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                          • #14
                            This is a game of chicken. I wouldn't take any of these reports literally until we see the details in the bankruptcy filings. F.e., I don't know why the unions would get such a plum deal on retiree benefits.
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                            • #15
                              Seems as if the HMMWV (there's a W in there, who knew?) is made by AM General, and it looks like it's actually independent from GM, and merely had a joint-venture type thing for Hummer.
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