IDF Fashion Statements

[KrazyHorse]

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[Sirotnikov]

was

I was never a commie.

a response to me or che?

[KrazyHorse]

I think you DanSed.

[MOBIUS]

Siro, with a few notable exceptions, your entire country are either callous killers, or wannabes...

Gradually, most of the world is waking up to this fact. Your nation's days are numbered. You know it, and I know it, and while you wait for the inevitable, your nation kills as many of the enemy as it thinks it can get away with. You are basically scum.

[Zevico]

On the basis of harm per objective accomplished.

It prevents humanitarian aid from reaching them based on specious security claims.

The objective accomplished is the prevention of smuggling of weapons--especially those rockets Hamas fires at Israeli towns and villages. That's why there's a blockade on Gaza: otherwise you'd have trucks of the stuff going into and out of the place.
In return, no one dies of starvation, because Gazans live off humanitarian aid. It's become an accepted condition of their lifestyle.

If Israeli forces really were trying to make life miserable for the people it occupied, they could, I don't know, turn off the water supply Israel provides them with every day. Or the electricity. Or the mobile phone network. Or cable. Or starve them. But they're not doing any of that. Because it would be pointless and counterproductive to needlessly impose restrictions on Gazans that do not achieve the objective at the heart of the matter--preventing the smuggling of weapons. Worse, it would probably make Hamas more popular (hardly an Israeli objective--nominally the objective is to make Hamas unpopular, but I think we can all tell how well that's been going after what, 2 years now).
So that's the calculation Israelis make: Palestinian economic destitution vs. Israeli lives. The choice any country in the same position would make is clear, in my opinion.

[Sirotnikov]

Siro, with a few notable exceptions, your entire country are either callous killers, or wannabes...

Gradually, most of the world is waking up to this fact. Your nation's days are numbered. You know it, and I know it, and while you wait for the inevitable, your nation kills as many of the enemy as it thinks it can get away with. You are basically scum.

Is this an attempt to order another shirt design?

[MOBIUS]

Your child murdering so-called army has cornered that particular 'market'

[Sirotnikov]

I think you DanSed.

I went over what I remember to be the post, and I still didn't get it.

Anyway, I know the shirts design trick was dirty, but I'm surprised you'd have an actual problem picking sides. Considering neither side condones the shirt designs, and the discussion was side-railed.

[Sirotnikov]

Your child murdering so-called army has cornered that particular 'market'

Face it. You're sad because in all our years of trolling each other, I never once made you a shirt.

[MOBIUS]

Whatever. I doubt you'd be willing to knock out a version where your racist apartheid 'nation' spews forth like cockroaches towards all the corners of 'Greater Israel'...

You don't give a **** about peace. Your soldiers are deliberately ordered to commit war crimes, and yet even today you still build your parasitic settlements on Palestinian land, flying in the face of any meaningful peace deal knowing full well that their mere existence will provoke fury amongst the Palestinians.

[KrazyHorse]

I went over what I remember to be the post, and I still didn't get it.

The way your post was originally phrased it sounded like you were accusing me of betraying commies.

[KrazyHorse]

I went over what I remember to be the post, and I still didn't get it.

Anyway, I know the shirts design trick was dirty, but I'm surprised you'd have an actual problem picking sides. Considering neither side condones the shirt designs, and the discussion was side-railed.

I don't think you understood my post at all.

[Sirotnikov]

Whatever. I doubt you'd be willing to knock out a version where your racist apartheid 'nation' spews forth like cockroaches towards all the corners of 'Greater Israel'...

Now I know this image did not come to your head by mistake.

[MOBIUS]

You're right, I paraphrased Ariel Sharon when he was talking about the Palestinians.

The thing is, it is the Israeli settlers that are spreading across Palestine like a black plague of locusts devouring everything they can get their hands on - not the other way around.

[MOBIUS]

New town may be death blow to hopes for Israel peace

The sign in big, red Hebrew letters reads “Welcome to Mevasseret Adumim, the Harbinger of the Hills”. A three-lane road with roundabouts leads up the hill to a police station and street lamps line the flyover that links the new town to neighbouring Ma'aleh Adumim, one of the largest Jewish settlements in Israel.

There are no houses, cars or people in Mevasseret Adumim: it is a town laid out, waiting to be built. That is because international pressure has so far prevented construction from going ahead. The area is the last piece of open land linking Arab East Jerusalem to the West Bank and critics said that to develop it would bury the very notion of a two-state solution to the Middle East crisis.

According to reports in the Israeli media, the area has been earmarked for development under a secret accord between Binyamin Netanyahu, the new, conservative Israeli Prime Minister, and his ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman.

Better known under its old British mandate name, E1, it is the most controversial development project in the region, one that diplomats and observers warn will trigger the collapse of the weakened Palestinian Authority, or drive it into armed resistance again.
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Israeli army radio reported that the deal was struck between Mr Netanyahu and Mr Lieberman as part of the negotiations to form a government, and it would allow 3,000 homes to be built on E1.

Critics said that building a combined Jewish settlement and national park in the hills of E1 would cut the West Bank in two. And blocking mainly Arab East Jerusalem from the West Bank it would make it impossible for the Palestinians to have that side of the disputed city as their capital.

Khalil Shikiaki, a leading Palestinian political analyst, said: .“Failure to respond in an effective manner could lead to the collapse of the nationalist camp [the Fatah-led branch of Palestinian politics] My guess is, confronted with this development, the nationalist camp would probably support violence. Given the current tends I think of this as a potential trigger to major clashes.”

That view was backed by a senior Western diplomat, who feared that developing E1, which the Bush Administration urged against, may encourage Hamas to try to take over the West Bank.

All the pieces are in place. Land has been levelled for housing, the roundabouts indicate that more roads will soon spread out across the wooded hills and the existing road network hints at the future shape of Jerusalem, according to Haim Erlich, an Israeli researcher for the co-existence group Ir Amin.

Mr Erlich points to the almost completed flyover crossing the Jerusalem to Jericho highway, which links E1 to Ma'aleh Adumim, sealing the gap of Jewish suburbs around East Jerusalem. Once the two are joined and then combined with smaller existing Jewish settlements and an industrial area farther out in the West Bank, the so-called Adumim block will have about 45,000 residents and cover more land than Tel Aviv, the second- largest Israeli city, he said.

“If they are really going to build E1, the meaning of that for the Palestinians will ... [mean] that the talks about a two-state solution are only on the level of theoretical talks,” Mr Erlich said. “It's the end of the idea of the two-state solution.”

Construction workers are also busy completing a walled-off road with no turnings into East Jerusalem, which will run from the southern West Bank to the northern part. This would allow Israel to argue that the Palestinians have territorial contiguity. Mr Erlich and others in the peace camp argue that it will effectively leave the West Bank divided.

The office of the mayor in Ma'aleh Adumim declined to comment on the plans but in a statement that was issued recently it said that the thousands of homes would constitute “contiguous construction between our city to the capital Jerusalem and will be the Zionist response that will prevent the division of Jerusalem and the dislocation of Ma'aleh Adumim and Gush Adumim [Adumim block] from the capital of Israel”.

The plans may be finalised under the Netanyahu Government but they were started two decades ago as part of the long-term Israeli strategy to secure the disputed city. A statement earlier this year from the Ministry of Defence, which has to approve all housing construction in the West Bank, made it clear that the state is not about to cede any of the area to the Palestinians.

“Ma'aleh Adumim is an inalienable part of Jerusalem and the State of Israel in any permanent settlement,” the statement, which was issued by the office of Ehud Barak, the Labour Party leader and Defence Minister in the previous and current governments, said. “E1 is a corridor that connects Ma'aleh Adumim to Mount Scopus [a longstanding Israeli pocket of land in East Jerusalem] and therefore it is important for it to remain part of the country. This is the position of Labour since Yitzhak Rabin and also of the Government of [Ehud]Barak in 1999, and the Americans know this position.”

Hagit Ofran, of the anti-settlement group Peace Now, said that building in E1 would fit with the reluctance of Mr Netanyahu to allow a sovereign Palestinian state.

“It's very hard to expect this Government will go for a two-state solution and negotiations,” said Ms Ofran, whose organisation protested outside parliament at the government inauguration with banners declaring: “This is not a unity government but a settler government.”

She said that the involvement of Mr Barak's centrist Labour Party in the Government would not act as a figleaf for the rightwingers' ambitions.

“Barak is worse than Netanyahu,” she said, pointing to the increasing numbers of settlers in the West Bank during Mr Barak's last term as Defence Minister. “They are trying to make it impossible for a two-state solution.”

This was reported just a few days ago in The Times - this is a Right-Wing Rupert Murdoch (You know, the guy who owns Fox News!) paper, not some left-leaning paper that might be expected to sympathise with the Palestinian plight...

Times map of Israel's ongoing parasitic encroachment into Palestinian West Bank territory