IDF Fashion Statements

[Docfeelgood]

Kill em all and let satan sort em out..

[chequita guevara]

How Christian of you.

[Docfeelgood]

How Christian of you.

Jewish

[Sirotnikov]

Siro,
Way to take things out of context on a continual basis.

Actually I provide a clear link for anyone to see what you meant.

Let's remind everybody the context:

Chegitz and you were saying that veterans of WWII were making an immoral choice to recruit to stop Nazi germany, because it served US imperialist interests. Chegitz also implied that had germany been allowed (or even helped) to win, less people would die on all sides, somehow making it a more moral outcome.

I never said that you waste of sperm.

You are correct. I omitted a word for dramatical effect.

More lives could also have been saved if the U.S. had joined the Nazis, because the war would have ended sooner. A war between the British, French and German Empires over who gets to exploit the world does not qualify as fighting for freedom. Not in 1914 and not in 1939. We did not fight for freedom. We fought to redivide the world, and America was well rewarded by becoming the main empire.

You were clearly suggesting this is a more moral solution, than to 'prolong the war' by joining the allied side.

[Sirotnikov]

On the basis of harm per objective accomplished.

The IDF chooses to make life miserable for people in areas it invades/occupies. It prevents humanitarian aid from reaching them based on specious security claims. It uses tactics (f.e. bulldozing the houses of families of terror suspects) most definitely not acceptable to NATO.

Harm per objective accomplished is hardly a viable criteria, since you do not know how well your objective will be accomplished in advance. That's why international law actually speaks of proportionality of harm to the military objective.


The low-intensity-combat in the west bank was pretty much smashed by IDF tactics, which is the reason why many limiting measures are now gradually reduced.

The blockade of Gaza does not prevent humanitarian assistance. Hundreds of humanitarian aid trucks enter daily, and have entered during the Gaza campaign as well. The security concerns which lead to IDF controlling the timing of supplies is due to the Hamas modus operandi of using ambulances for cover.

Bulldozing the homes of families is not an IDF tactic. It was a tool dictated by the government, based on precedents in remains of British mandatorial law, that is still part of the Israeli law book.

[Sirotnikov]

Given that Hamas knows it couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with its weapons, while the IDF deliberately targets medics, I think we can infer quite a bit.

Yes, we've heard from you.

If you're willing to trade places with one of the victims of the Qassam barrage, let me know. I'll pay for your plane tickets to Israel.

[bc1871]

GOD BLESS THE FIGHTING MEN AND WOMEN OF ISRAEL!

[chequita guevara]

Actually I provide a clear link for anyone to see what you meant.

Let's remind everybody the context:

Chegitz and you were saying that veterans of WWII were making an immoral choice to recruit to stop Nazi germany, because it served US imperialist interests. Chegitz also implied that had germany been allowed (or even helped) to win, less people would die on all sides, somehow making it a more moral outcome.


You are correct. I omitted a word for dramatical effect.

More lives could also have been saved if the U.S. had joined the Nazis, because the war would have ended sooner. A war between the British, French and German Empires over who gets to exploit the world does not qualify as fighting for freedom. Not in 1914 and not in 1939. We did not fight for freedom. We fought to redivide the world, and America was well rewarded by becoming the main empire.

You were clearly suggesting this is a more moral solution, than to 'prolong the war' by joining the allied side.

No, fvcknut, I was rebutting the stance that by intervening in the war, the U.S. saved lives, making it moral, by pointing out that the opposite was also true.

[DinoDoc]

What do you care about saving lives che? points to sig

[chequita guevara]

Since the Colombian government kills far more people than the FARC I think it's obvious. As far as Ireland goes, dog fvcker, were it not for the Troubles, the Irish would still be an oppressed minority in their own country.

[DinoDoc]

Since the Colombian government kills far more people than the FARC I think it's obvious.

Actually, it isn't. Given that you make no bones about supporting a group that actively engages in the murder of civilians, ransoming them in some cases to fund its war effort against said civilians and enages in drug trafficing. I'm gonna have to say it isn't clear at all how much if at all you value human life.

As far as Ireland goes, dog fvcker,

Oooh. Cursing. Next you'll be talking about how people who disagree with you cruise family reunions for dates or other enlightening vulgarities.

were it not for the Troubles, the Irish would still be an oppressed minority in their own country.

An entertaining what if told bv people with blood on thier hands but one that is obviously without evidence and has several counter examples.

[dannubis]

For the 1000th time, the amount of people killed, without further context, is NOT A VALID comparison criteria for judging intent. The only thing one could deduct is that Israeli weapons and missile shelters are good, while the Hamas weapons and shelters are crap. Deducing intentions from this is crap.

Repeating that doesn't make it the truth.

[Kidlicious]

Chegitz and you were saying that veterans of WWII were making an immoral choice to recruit to stop Nazi germany, because it served US imperialist interests.

I said that it was immoral because they killed people. You still don't know what I was saying.

[Sirotnikov]

Repeating that doesn't make it the truth.

The importance of intent in judging an action's moral value, is well established, oh- pretty much since Immanuel Kant in the 17th century.

Meaningless comparison of numbers without context, is a known strategy for conmen who wish to misrepresent events, and idiots, who are too dumb to perceive the intricacies of a complex situation.

[Sirotnikov]

I said that it was immoral because they killed people. You still don't know what I was saying.

You vehemently criticized the choice people made to join the war effort to defeat Nazi Germany.

It is plain for everybody to see, because I include the link, and the thread is right there.