Europe is Revolting

[Sirotnikov]

So you'd rather one hundred million die then you personally have to shoot someone? You have a very ****ed up sense of morality.

I'd avoid saying anything about morality, if I were you, after you showed your real face, criticizing people who went to fight Nazi Germany, and claiming that avoidance was the moral thing to do, since Nazi Germany "wasn't comparatively as evil".

[Sirotnikov]

I would point out that the current capitalist system results in 24,000 people dying a day from malnutrition and access to bad drinking water.

That's a fun quote.

I didn't know that the current capitalist system in the west, steals food which Africa successfully produces in large enough quantities, and hides all their good drinking water, which they have in huge quantity, due to their scientific and bureaucratic efficiency.

Oh wait...

It was mostly the capitalist system, nation-state governments, and free enterprise sponsored advances in science, that pulled the western world out of a darkness, from an agrarian society to a modern one, and provided ample food and drinking water to everyone, not to mention electricity, transportation etc.

[Sirotnikov]

I wouldn't say he doesn't have intellectual integrity. He's fairly constant about the fact that he believes the oppressed should be able to use violence against the oppressor.

He's also very constant about the fact who he sees as oppressed, and who as oppressor (= successful folks). usually according to whomever the Daily Socialist tells him to.

That makes him a consistent tool

[Sirotnikov]

But okay, let's see if your example works with me. I make a high five figure salary from essentially running online businesses/blogs, which actually may turn into six figures if this year goes well, while also being a student. You would probably advocate redistributing wealth from me because I'm not working class or poor. I am actually a student. My parents didn't pay for me and I made my wealth through my own labor: being a computer nerd and knowing how to drive traffic through websites.

Evil blog-reading enslaves people.
Don't you see that the "traffic" you "drive" are people? Human beings? Whose emotions you so conveniently ignore as an excuse to either sell them something or present free-market propaganda which clouds their minds and enslaves it? You're a slave-master! Shame on you! SHAME!

How am I a slave owner? Why should I be shot or why should you take my wealth from me? It could be argued that I am actually the "slave," since I rely on so many people, and no one really relies on me.

Obviously all the wealth should go back to the people who were enslaved by the commercials they saw on your sites, and the time they spent reading your imperialist blogs. You stole the money they spend on broadband. That's what you did.

[chequita guevara]

Okay Che,
I like your example. Redistribute wealth from slave owners to slave. Nice parallel, like the CEOs or bankers are exploiting their workers.

But okay, let's see if your example works with me.

Can I answer you later? I'm pretty sleepy right now.

Peace

[SlowwHand]

If you wouldn't stay up all night with your little commie buddies, hatching half-baked revolution plans, maybe your itsy bitsy headums wouldn't be so sleepy.

[chequita guevara]

Are you spying on me?

[Sprayber]

I wonder how strong the resolve is in the commy leftist types in America to actually pull anything off in the US. In Europe you don't have millions of rednecks with guns driving around in pickups with flood lights on them. There would be some definite carnage involved.

[Kidlicious]

I'd rather be a bum picking out the juiciest maggots from some fat bankers left-over Big Mac on Wall Street than have to live in the kind of society where True Communism is always 'just around the corner'

It's very hard to believe that someone would support a society in which they are starving.

[Kidlicious]

What gives you the moral authority?

First you become the authority. Then you are moral.

[Kidlicious]

This guy from the IMF sez otherwize though I agree, it is intrinsic to the system.

Typical of the IMF not to understand that the economy as a whole is not mechanistic. You have to fix the whole, not the parts.

[chequita guevara]

Okay Che,
I like your example. Redistribute wealth from slave owners to slave. Nice parallel, like the CEOs or bankers are exploiting their workers.

But okay, let's see if your example works with me. I make a high five figure salary from essentially running online businesses/blogs, which actually may turn into six figures if this year goes well, while also being a student. You would probably advocate redistributing wealth from me because I'm not working class or poor. I am actually a student. My parents didn't pay for me and I made my wealth through my own labor: being a computer nerd and knowing how to drive traffic through websites.

How am I a slave owner? Why should I be shot or why should you take my wealth from me? It could be argued that I am actually the "slave," since I rely on so many people, and no one really relies on me.

You might argue that since I'm a rightwinger it's morally justifiable to liquidate me, but don't make that argument just yet. Assume, for argument sake that I am a leftwing blogger complaining about George W. Bush that makes that kind of money instead, since the comparison is valid and actually more common in that case.

Unsurprisingly, you start from a lot of misplaced assumptions, such as that right wingers would be "liquidated," i.e., killed. I wouldn't even argue that people who hold Nazi ideas should automatically be killed. The only reason anyone should be killed is in the course of combat during a civil war.

You don't mention any employees, so we'll assume for the sake of discussion, you have none. Socialists and communists have nothing against the self-employed. Why should we have anything against you, simply because you make better than average wages (you certainly aren't in the category of rich)?

The truth is, many socialists and communists make good money. Many of us work in IT, which pays pretty well. Many professionals make considerably more, but they exploit no one. They make their money by selling services to the capitalists. In the long run, as production makes the whole point of money meaningless, such distinctions will disappear, but we have no need or desire to attack the middle classes. In fact, we'd much prefer to win people like you over to the revolution. The revolution needs smart, skilled, driven people.

[Combat Ingrid]

The revolution needs smart, skilled, driven people.

I guess it's doomed to fail then.

[Az]

dunn-dash!

[Darius871]

This guy from the IMF sez otherwize

God what a disappointing rehash of common knowledge that article was.