Female sex drive

[Jon Miller]

He is lying, it actually stands for Michael Hasselhoff, David's younger, sexier, brother.

JM

[Solomwi]

Mike Hunt, that's his name. Is there something funny about that?

Noooo, Winston was the one using that goofy winking smilie, not me. I can't find the first thing amusing about the name Mike Hunt.

[MikeH]

Mike Hunt is not misogynist.

[Provost Harrison]

Except when he's beating his hoes, of course

[Solomwi]

Mike Hunt is not misogynist.

To the extent that it displays a view of women as chattel, I must disagree.

[Theben]

Misogynastics

[-Jrabbit]

Only if you're looking for a microphone.

[Heraclitus]

This thread shoud get back on topic.

I've talked to one of my female friends, and she says she likes to have sex about three times a week.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Mike Hunt, that's his name. Is there something funny about that?

Say it real fast over and over again. Preferably in public.

[David Floyd]

What a load of misogynistic self justifying bull****. Consistent though, I guess. It's ok to treat women like crap if they let you is basically the same as it's ok to rob Walmart* if they let you.

Your argument here is basically the same as "she was wearing a short skirt so she was asking for it". Totally unacceptable, I don't care how prevalent it might be in society.

Most women date arseholes is just a myth. You've just stated that if someone gives you evidence that disproves your myth you'll tell them they are lying or an exception that proves the rule. ie. you've decided it's true and won't hear anything contradictory. Bull****.

Some women make bad choices, some men make bad relationship choices but you don't get people saying women should be a real ***** to get a man. It's great for some men to push this to generalise their sexism. And it's amazing how often people think the other guy who is going out with the girl they like is a total arsehole, not a nice guy like them. It's kind of comforting in a way isn't it, well, I can't get a nice girlfriend 'cause I'm too nice. Yeah... well maybe us men should look at ourselves a bit harder.

Oh and don't get my started on the whole men who sleep around are players and women who do are whores thing.

No, my argument isn't "She was asking for it". I'm not trying to justify rape, dude.

My argument is simply that women - and men, too, but the context here is women - say they want one thing, and act in a COMPLETELY different manner. Oh, not all women, of course. But most women really do. If you doubt that, just think about all the women you've known in your life who pine for a "nice guy", yet always end up dating *******s. You say that isn't all that common, but IT IS.

A lot of it is because women are conditioned to seek out "alpha males", yet at the same time are taught that "nice guys" make better mates. Unfortunately, when physiology gets in the way of knowledge, guess which one usually wins out?

Oh, eventually women figure it out - eventually. But women in our age range? Forget about it. Women don't want guys who are "nice" - they think they do, but that isn't how they act. It's why they end up going home and sleeping with aggressive guys, who tell them exactly what they want. Again, not all women, but most.

The OP that spawned my rant was the comment that (paraphrased) "The game is bull****, it doesn't work on me." My point was just this - "Really? Well if that is truly so for you, then why is it not that way for most other women?" I'm not justifying treating women in any fashion, other than they way that they WANT to be treated. That doesn't mean women want to be tricked into sex so that I can get my jollies and never call them again - but it DOES mean that women want a confident guy who will aggressively go after what he wants. They DON'T want a guy who spends the whole time saying how pretty they are, how much he likes talking to her, etc. My advice to that guy? Shut the **** up, grab your sac, and at least try to hit it, because you sure as hell won't get laid, or even get a date, acting like a stereotypical nice guy.

How do I know? I used to BE that guy. And I NEVER got dates, NEVER got laid, NEVER even attracted much female attention, UNTIL I started learning the truth of what I posted above.

You make the point that often times men just THINK that the guy who is dating the object of their affection is an *******. Fine, yes, you're right. Jealousy does color our opinions. But, as you said, take a good hard look at yourself - stop trying to set yourself up as the nice guy, and just go out and be a guy. You'll get a lot more girls, I guarantee it.

And my final point? Women, if you feel like what I said is completely offensive, misogynistic, and wrong, THEN STOP VALIDATING IT THROUGH YOUR ACTIONS! Want to prove me wrong? Fine. Don't date the jockish ******* guy you met at the bar. Date the guy who's been in love with you since 7th grade, because as creepy as you may think that guy is, he's a hell of a lot closer to what you insist you actually want, than Fratty McDip**** that you met over Jagerbombs and $2 domestic beers at the local bar. Alternatively, just admit that yes, there is something attractive about the confident *******, and that you'd really rather be with that guy, for now, than the nice guy - because let's face it, the nice guy is nice enough to always be around. Dick in a jar mentality, right?

[Az]

PUA-mania hits poly. Thousands left stranded in sleasy bar.

Anyway, the vast majority of PUA **** is dumb. One should stop being an overcomplicated overconsiderate overbearing manchild. Girls hate them. Guys hate them. Everybody hates them. Your admission about your sadness and your new WoW fandrawing doesn't make you fun to hang around with, Your neurotic behavior isn't endearing, die in a fire, etc. etc.

Anyway, Richard, how is it your fault that women don't want to date you?

[Sirotnikov]

While the vast majority of PUA is dumb, and uses dumb methods and explanations, it does work well.

It takes odd behaving shy guys, injects them with unreasonable amounts of self confidence, gives them "a game to play" so they can approach women without fear of rejection, and gives them several psychological methods that do actually work.

Most shy people are scared sick of themselves and of their actions. PUA is a sort of role playing that allows them to relax and act in a confident manner - so guess what? It works!

It also works great for geeks because they can quantify, calaculate and rationalize stuff that is going on, that gives them an illusion of control - which against boosts their confidence and makes them better at getting at what they want to say.

It's not true that girls like to be treated like crap. And most PUA's don't teach you how to treat girls like crap. They teach you how not to be a doormat. Which is good for those who need it.

[Lorizael]

How do I know? I used to BE that guy. And I NEVER got dates, NEVER got laid, NEVER even attracted much female attention, UNTIL I started learning the truth of what I posted above.

mm, anecdotal evidence as proof.

Now, let's see. I've always been that guy, and I got my first girlfriend when I was sixteen, thereby disproving the stereotypes.

So your evidence proves the stereotypes are true, and mine proves they aren't true! Oh no! Contradiction! The universe is imploding!

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I was just annoyed.

I've met David Floyd, a few years back now, and he was a very nice guy. This is disappointing.

I struggle with that too, having met him.

Floyd circa 2002- nice, earnest, polite young man.

Floyd circa 2009- braying egomaniac with the morals of a mongoose.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

They DON'T want a guy who spends the whole time saying how pretty they are, how much he likes talking to her, etc. My advice to that guy? Shut the **** up, grab your sac, and at least try to hit it, because you sure as hell won't get laid, or even get a date, acting like a stereotypical nice guy.

I've been like that all my life. And relentlessly being the nice guy has resulted in a series of nice girls being very nice to me in return.

You really don't need to be a cynical and manipulative predator to get a girlfriend.