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  • Are banning pizzarias outside Italy racism against italians ?

    Well,



    Italy bans kebabs and foreign food from cities

    The tomato comes from Peru and spaghetti was probably a gift from China.

    It is, though, the “foreign” kebab that is being kicked out of Italian cities as it becomes the target of a campaign against ethnic food, backed by the centre-right Government of Silvio Berlusconi.

    The drive to make Italians eat Italian, which was described by the Left and leading chefs as gastronomic racism, began in the town of Lucca this week, where the council banned any new ethnic food outlets from opening within the ancient city walls.

    Yesterday it spread to Lombardy and its regional capital, Milan, which is also run by the centre Right. The antiimmigrant Northern League party brought in the restrictions “to protect local specialities from the growing popularity of ethnic cuisines”.
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    Luca Zaia, the Minister of Agriculture and a member of the Northern League from the Veneto region, applauded the authorities in Lucca and Milan for cracking down on nonItalian food. “We stand for tradition and the safeguarding of our culture,” he said.

    Mr Zaia said that those ethnic restaurants allowed to operate “whether they serve kebabs, sushi or Chinese food” should “stop importing container loads of meat and fish from who knows where” and use only Italian ingredients.

    Asked if he had ever eaten a kebab, Mr Zaia said: “No – and I defy anyone to prove the contrary. I prefer the dishes of my native Veneto. I even refuse to eat pineapple.”

    Mehmet Karatut, who owns one of four kebab shops in Lucca, said that he used Italian meat only.

    Davide Boni, a councillor in Milan for the Northern League, which also opposes the building of mosques in Italian cities, said that kebab shop owners were prepared to work long hours, which was unfair competition.

    “This is a new Lombard Crusade against the Saracens,” La Stampa, the daily newspaper, said. The centre-left opposition in Lucca said that the campaign was discrimination and amounted to “culinary ethnic cleansing”.

    Vittorio Castellani, a celebrity chef, said: “There is no dish on Earth that does not come from mixing techniques, products and tastes from cultures that have met and mingled over time.”

    He said that many dishes thought of as Italian were, in fact, imported. The San Marzano tomato, a staple ingredient of Italian pasta sauces, was a gift from Peru to the Kingdom of Naples in the 18th century. Even spaghetti, it is thought, was brought back from China by Marco Polo, and oranges and lemons came from the Arab world.

    Mr Castellani said that the ban reflected growing intolerance and xenophobia in Italy. It was also a blow to immigrants who make a living by selling ethnic food, which is popular because of its low cost. There are 668 ethnic restaurants in Milan, a rise of nearly 30 per cent in one year.

    The centre Right won national elections in April last year partly because of alarm about crime and immigration. This week there was a series of attacks on immigrants in bars and shops after the arrest of six Romanians accused of gang-raping an Italian girl in the Rome suburb of Guidonia.

    Filippo Candelise, a Lucca councillor, said: “To accuse us of racism is outrageous. All we are doing is protecting the culinary patrimony of the town.”

    Massimo Di Grazia, the city spokesman, said that the ban was intended to improve the image of the city and to protect Tuscan products. “It targets McDonald’s as much as kebab restaurants,” he added.

    There is confusion, however, over what is meant by ethnic. Mr Di Grazia said that French restaurants would be allowed. He was unsure, though, about Sicilian cuisine. It is influenced by Arab cooking.

    A danish journalist stationed in italy asked people in her local bar how they would think if other countries would start to ban pizzarieaes - the answer was that that the would consider it racism against italians
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    Why? Pizza is American food.

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    • #3
      racism? xenophobia...

      Just call the kabobs Freedom sticks!
      Monkey!!!

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      • #4
        WTF?!!

        These Italians are messed in the head.
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          • #6
            You're just realizing that, Imran?
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            • #7
              This is just stupid.

              Davide Boni, a councillor in Milan for the Northern League, which also opposes the building of mosques in Italian cities, said that kebab shop owners were prepared to work long hours, which was unfair competition.
              Last edited by Riesstiu IV; February 20, 2009, 16:26.

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              • #8
                Bah, everyone knows real Italians left the country in the first part of the century anyway.
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                • #9
                  well, duh

                  EDIT: x-posting
                  A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                    Why? Pizza is American food.


                    Top american cuisine - pizza's
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                    • #11
                      Kuci's right, pizzas were invented in The US. Italy did not serve pizza style ingredients on big bread pies until after WW II. US soldiers taught them the trick. However, most of the pizzarias in Germany, France and (maybe) Denmark had their origins when Italians brought that food-style to those countries.
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                      • #12
                        Wikipedia, the source of all knowledge:

                        Prior to the 1940s pizza consumption was limited mostly to Italian immigrants and their descendants. The international breakthrough came after World War II. Allied troops occupying Italy, weary of their rations, were constantly on the lookout for good food. They discovered the pizzeria, and local bakers were hard-pressed to satisfy the demand from the soldiers. The American troops involved in the Italian campaign took their appreciation for the dish back home, touted by "veterans ranging from the lowliest private to Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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                        • #13
                          Are they going to ban pasta as well? After all it was invented in China.
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                            Attributes it to an Italian in 1889, Raffaele Esposito, who called it Pizza, and made it (what we would now call a 'Margherita' pizza) for the visit of King Umberto and, yep, Queen Margherita. The standard Margherita pizza now, which is flat bread topped with (fresh) Tomato, basil, and mozzarella (sliced, whole mozzarella, not shredded) (from another article).

                            So, apparently Pizza is technically Italian, although as stated above, it was popularized by American soldiers in Italy (amazing how much american culture came from WWII Italy ... americanos, lattes, pizza ... next thing you know, we'll learn Hamburgers came from some country involved in WWII also ... (actually NOT true, that one is truly american, though with some German influence)
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                            • #15
                              Hamburgers are German!

                              Next thing you'll be claiming Frankfurters are american too.
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