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    Who has the better trump cards? UBS or the FBI?

    WASHINGTON – Federal authorities have filed a lawsuit against Swiss-based bank UBS AG seeking the identities of tens of thousands of U.S. customers.

    The suit filed in Miami Thursday seeks to force the firm to turn over information on as many as 52,000 U.S. customers who hid their accounts from the U.S. government in violation of tax laws.

    The company said it will fight in court to keep the names private, arguing Swiss bank secrecy laws shield those customers.

    The lawsuit comes a day after the Justice Department struck a deal with UBS to get access to some of its customers who used Swiss bank secrecy law to hide billions of dollars in assets.

    According to the government's lawsuit, the accounts in question held about $14.8 billion in assets in the past decade.

    As part of its deal with prosecutors Wednesday, the bank agreed to pay $780 million in fines and penalties.

    After the settlement of the criminal case was announced, the bank's chairman, Peter Kurer, said in a statement the firm accepted "full responsibility" for helping its U.S. clients hide assets from the IRS.

    But that does not mean the bank is about to fork over information on thousands of accounts.

    "This shows the big fight is yet to come," said George Clarke, a tax attorney based in Washington who is not involved in the UBS case.

    A federal judge will now decide whether the U.S. courts can force a bank to violate Swiss bank secrecy laws and provide the account information.

    According to U.S. officials, an acquisition in 2000 of a U.S. company brought UBS a host of new American clients. The bank then set about to evade new reporting requirements for those clients. To do so, UBS executives helped U.S. taxpayers open new accounts in the names of sham entities.

    Prosecutors contend that UBS executives used encrypted software and other counter-surveillance techniques to prevent anyone from detecting that they were actively marketing such Swiss bank secrecy — and tax evasion — to American taxpayers.

    The clients, in turn, filed false tax returns that omitted the income they earned in their Swiss accounts, according to the court papers.
    52,000 Tax Cheats with UBS Accounts
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    52,000? I saw "up to 19,000" and I've seen "several hundred" as well. I take it, then, that people are just making up numbers at this point.

    All the articles I've seen on this describe the deal as basically a capitulation by UBS & the Swiss. Big win for Uncle Sammy. We shall see.

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    • #3
      Is the FBI searching for more future members of the Obama Admin?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
        Is the FBI searching for more future members of the Obama Admin?
        Or maybe also Republican tax evaders.
        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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        • #5
          Wow, I'm so surprised that you made that joke, DD!

          If there really are thousands of people, I think it's pretty safe to assume that both political parties are well-represented.

          -Arrian
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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrFun View Post
            Or maybe also Republican tax evaders.
            Tax cheats seem to be getting Presidential appointments atm from the Dems.
            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Arrian View Post
              If there really are thousands of people, I think it's pretty safe to assume that both political parties are well-represented.
              So many people who simply made an honest mistake.
              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                Tax cheats seem to be getting Presidential appointments atm from the Dems.
                Yeah - a whole TWO people!
                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #9
                  DD is just looking for a rise. Apparently the rules are: Democratic tax cheats cannot be appointed to the current administration (3 to date). Additionally, all other Democratic tax cheats negotiate with the IRS, pay, and keep mum about it. Republican tax cheats plead guilty and go to jail as part of plea bargains related to the 16 - 38 fiscal scandals in the Bush administration. (Number varies depending on which incidents are counted as "scandals" and which are regarded as "crimes.") OTH, other Republican tax cheats got ignored for 8 years while the understaffed-by-policy IRS people focused on the Dems because the Justice Department was not interested in going after their contributors.

                  Funny thing is Dinodoc appears proud that the 2nd Bush administration had more people indicted while in office than any other administration, even the 8 years of Nixon/Ford.
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                  • #10
                    To do so, UBS executives helped U.S. taxpayers open new accounts in the names of sham entities.
                    Aren't Swiss Bank Accounts numbered?? They used to be.

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                    • #11
                      Times have changed, Zkrib.
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        I thought Republicans were supposed to be poor, racist rednecks. What are they doing with sophisticated Swiss bank accounts?

                        Someone needs to tell Barry he's off in the wrong direction.
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                        • #13
                          No, Republicans are a mix of poor, racist rednecks voting for rich, racist rednecks. You think they'd let poor people hold power?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                            I thought Republicans were supposed to be poor, racist rednecks. What are they doing with sophisticated Swiss bank accounts?

                            Someone needs to tell Barry he's off in the wrong direction.
                            good lord . . . .
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                              Is the FBI searching for more future members of the Obama Admin?
                              Let's be bipartisan. Sarah Palin didn't pay her taxes either.
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